ASHY,
Go through the BBS for about 4 hours, I noticed what you said in Topic No.27747, 13841, etc about comparing CCE and TMPG. My questions is:
1. As of CCE, I use BitrateView to check encoded MPEG-2 file and found it is always upper field first, no matter what I set CCE's corresponding item. Is that normal?
2. I used to use TMPG to encode avi(PAL DV for home video) to dvd with CQ70@8000*2000 no padding@10bits@High Quality;
I/P/B/GOP=1/3/2/15;
Q.Matrix=default and no check on "No Motion Search...by half pixel";
and audio=wav@1536.
Typically on DVD-R can hold 90 minutes. Do you have any commens on my settings?
3. You said CCE produce better pricture quality than TMPG. In terms of the settings above, can CCE still make difference?
Regards

The advantage that CCE has over tmpgenc is that it can produce Mpeg2 files with better Quality with a lower bitrate than tmpgenc and it is MUCH faster than Tmpgenc ,up to 5 times faster..but CCE has a LOT of disadvantages like it doesn"t have many filters, and doesn"t resize the resolution for SVCD/VCD compliance and you need a external multiplexor the join the audio and video streams and the Mpeg1 Quality for CCE isn"t as good as Tmpgenc, and CCE costs 40 times as much..But the good thing is that you can easily overcome these Problems by frame serveing to CCE and there are many ways to do it, with AVISYnth, Virtual Dub,the Vfapi converter, and the Link2 tool...But CCE does have a problem with the field order,so it is best Not to put a check in the "Upper field First" box cuz all CCE does with it is put a Flag on the header instead of adjusting the field order...

ashy,
do you agree with minion?

I agree with Minion. CCE is THE best MPEG2 encoder there is, regarding quality, once you learn how yo use it properly.
Don't get me wrong TMPG is an unbeatable MPEG1 encoder and not even CCE can match it, but for encoding MPEG2 the speed and quality of CCE can't be beaten.

CCE is commercial encoder which is used in the movie industry by proffesionals and thus has to produce top quality results and this it does.

Use identical settings in CCE as TMPG and you will see the difference CCE can make especially at low bitrates.
TMPG still has it's use though because you can use it to frameserve to CCE. Without it a lot of people wouldn't even be able to use CCE which is the annoying thing about CCE.

All that money for an encoder which doesn't even have the ability to resize an image. It's about time this simple and usually standard feature in encoders was implemented in CCE till then we'll have to use programs such as TMPG and AVIsynth or Virtualdub to frameserve to CCE.
CCE won't accept MPEGs or certain frame sizes either as the source, so even though it's quality is better it's features certainly leave a lot to be desired when compared to TMPG.

If it came down to it and somebody said I could only use one encoder and no other then there would be only once choice I could make. It would have to be TMPG because this is the only encoder which is practically capable of encoding to or from almost any format.

ASHY

Ashy,
Minion,
Thank you very very much.

Are there any plans to add multible passes in upcoming versions???

Like being able to do a true 3-pass?

Thanx,

NeWcS

I hear that either the server version or the version 3 will have up to 25 pass encodeing but no real time on when it will be released...

I know that you can specify tooLame as an external audio processor in the external tools preferences of TMPGEnc, but can I instead use BeSweet?

What are the different external audio tools that are compatible with TMPGEnc? I can't seem to find a definitive list anywhere...

If you hold your Mouse pointer over were you load in the External Audio encoders a list of compatible encoders will pop up,but it is basicly just "Toolame and SCMPX for Mpeg audio encodeing and SCMPX and SSRC for sample rate converters..But you can encode your audio seperately with Besweet and Just Mux it with the encoded video file....

Ok maybe someone on this board can help me cause i can't figure what is goin on
This is the problem

I have an .avi i made using Adobe premiere both the audio and video work fine on it its a 720x480 .avi. When I go and convert it to an .mpg with TMPG it converts it to an mpg but with audio only i doesnt convert any video i just get a black screen. I made sure i wasn't converting just audio so thats not the problem and i cant figure out what i am doing wrong. I have converted files before with TMPG and have never had a proble until now.
Any help would greatly be appreciated

try raising the directshow multimedia file reader in enveironmental settings/vfapi plugins to higer priority........say 2

I am trying to turn a divx avi file into a vcd compatable mpeg but when i try to encode i keep getting errors that just have a bunch of random numbers listed. I think it has to do with the audio because it does not show up when i go to the screen that lets me clip the movie file. Also if i don't click the start and end of the movie in the clipping area, the movies will come up approx. 4 or 5 times the amount of frames than the actual movies are. I have five divx files.. one encodes to mpeg fine but the other four are like the above. Pleas help.

You can try Extracting the audio to a WAV file with Virtual-Dub and use that as your audio source, the audio in DIVX files is usually Very Compressed and Tmpgenc one some systems doesn"t like to Encode Compressed audio formats..And the problem with Setting the begining and start frames with the source range or there are 2 or 3 times as many frames is usually caused by an error in the Header in the diVX file, is seems Common with Downloaded files..You might be able to correct it by makeing a Direct Stream Copy with V-Dub and encode that or use V-Dub to frame serve the file to tmpgenc...

where can i get virtual dub?

ever heard of google??

www.virtualdub.org

hth

Try rebuilding the avi index first with DivFix. Then use with Virtual Dub and TMPGE.

Hello,

I have a question which I can't get answered!

I live in the US. My family lives in Europe and take DV footage and edit and have always burned to SVCD for me here. Now, we have moved to DVD-R. Today when I received the new format I tried to play it in my Pioneer DV343 and it just rolled. The screen, menu, and everything just rolled.

Here is my question:

They use Pinnacle studio 8 to edit and then author the DVD-R. (We used to use TMPGE to encode to SVCD but now they just authored direct from Pinnacle. This might be the problem. Maybe we need to just produce the AVI as ususal and then encode tyhat AVI to DVD in TMPGE?)

Could the problem be Region problem? I didn't think it would since there shouldn't be a copyright issue? Could it be another video setting in which this sets the finisihed product not to play? All these questions were to me not a problem since the Stand alone DVD-player sets it to either NTSC or PAL, I thought.

Before, using SVCD my DVD player played and displayed perfectly PAL or an NTSC signal on my TV. I can't understand why this is not working now.

Details:

They edit in Pinnacle and produce make movie: they then burn in ULEAD DVD moviefactory with menu. Picture just rolls...

Any help or guidance would be appreciated...

P.S I tried this DVD-R at our large fancy electronics place in every Pioneer DVD player on a few different TV's. Same problem...

Well It could be a couple things..Like On My DVD player I can Play Pal VCD"s and SVCD"s but when it comes to Pal DVD"s it doesn"t play them at all..So it could be a Format problem, unless you have a TV that is a specificly designed to play Both Pal and Ntsc and a DVD Player that says it will play Pal DVD"s then that might be the problem..I don"t know why mine and yours will play Pal SVCD"s accept that maybe it could be the Increased Pal resolution..One way you can find out if it is your TV/DVD Player is to load the DVD into your Computer and see if your Computer will play it and if your computer can play it you can think about going through the Tedius task of converting the Pal to NTSc then re-encodeing it and burning it to a DVD...

I have a problem.. Oh yeah and I am having trouble with tmpg. I am converting Divx to Mpeg2. I get 90% done.. around frame 62104 and blammo. It just freezes and does nothing. I have dual tualatin with 768 ddr ram... Resources are not the problem. The original Divx copy can be viewed flawlessly by player2 and shows up in the preview screen of tmpg as well. I thought clever me.. I would just copy the rest of the file from the stopped frame and just combine later.. It still freezes but 10 frames later on 62104. Any ideas?

Can you try 2.57?
if that will give you no problem, as it was for me, chances are 2.58 is really buggy.

It seems that the header or some frames get corrupted near the end of the file, you can still play Corrupted files with media Player, you can try makeing a copy of the file with V-Dub which could correct the problem ,or you can try useing V-Dub to frame serve the file to Tmpgenc...

I have had similar problems with a DBZ film, the avi played with no errors but the enc froze and again I tried to continue from the stop bit but it crashed again. I ran the file through Eo video and it managed with a slight audio corruption around the point of the previous problem. This led me to believe that the avi had originlly been encoded with some dodgy format ie(angel potion) and the audio was damaged.

Hello
I recently switched to 2.58 and I noticed that 40-minutes Mpeg1-VCD compliant creation is now impossible. I either get "read errors" at unpredictable timing or the system locks.
This is annoying since my rather old system takes 3.5 hours to encode 40 minutes file and to get an error after 3 hours is not the best thing one can have.....

I use Win2k, the videos are captured with VDub and originally coded as HuffYUV, so nothing really exhotic, the OS is at the latest review/patch and the PC, and the PC, an AMD K6-2@500Mhz, is very stable.

Amazing thing is that using 2.57 all is working fine as before, so I have just downgraded and sorted it out.
I would infere a bug exists in 2.58, has anybody other suggestions?
Thanks/Regards

This might be the same thing as what I had here: http://www.tmpgenc.net/cgi-bin/ebbs/board.cgi?board=tmpgenc#topic14979

That is almost identical to my problem... I get to about frame 62104 out of around 74000 (40 minutes of 45) And the system just hangs. The system is still humping along with my dualie processors, but nothing is being done! It just stops. The rest of my system seems unaffected by this and I can close the tmpg down but.... Then even if I try to start conversion at the stop point and encode to the end frame it still freezes only a few frames later..

Thanks Chip Zero, I have seen your report but it does not look the same. It appears your situation is different with longer times till you define the source range.
Mine is different, it takes exactly the same time as usual, and stops unpredictably, preferably towards the end; sometimes it locks the PC, sometimes not.
I've finished now a 44 minutes conversion with highest quality settings and 2.57. No problem at all, just slow, but I cannot pretend much from my PC. However 12 hours without problems means 2.57 is stable.
2.58 is definitely not.

At this time I have to say I am convinced 2.58 is buggy.
Likely 2.59 will have a cure.

Useing the "Highest Quality" setting will not really improver the quality over "High Quality" but the encodeing time takes 2-3 Times longer..I"m sure if you didn"t use the Highers Quality setting the encodeing would be Quicker..

Thanks Minion, yours is a good suggestion in general
but the 2.58 encoder in my system (and I see ....in the system of other people) is unstable anyway under low, normal, high or very high quality.

Thanks Minion, yours is a good suggestion in general
but the 2.58 encoder in my system (and I see ....in the system of other people) is unstable anyway under low, normal, high or very high quality.

I guess useing The 2.57 version or earlier would probably be the best thing to do if you don"t have problems with them..There have been a Few New encoders that have been released in the last few weeks that seem fairly good, the new Main concept one seems fairly good and I have been getting pretty awesome results with the new CCE 2.66....

Hi Guys,

I have the following problem.When i want to convert a SVCD with a framerate of 29.970 f/s ( NTSC ) to a VCD with a framerate of 25 f/s ( PAL ), the audio always gets out of sync.When the movie goes further and further the audio gets more and more out of sync , so i couldn't solve this by putting the audio forward.I think this problem is caused by the framerate's , that the audio is based on how fast the movie plays.I really have so much trouble trying to solve this and i am out of options.Do you guys have the same problem ???

I hope someone can help me with this.

thx in advance

mark

Well of cource it is going to be out of sync, you can"t use tmpgenc to convert NTSC to PAL and visa versa, you will allmost allways get stuttering playback and out of sync audio..There a very few programs that can do it properly, I hear that AVISynth does a good job of it and I know that Canopus ProCoder does it Quite well also, and there a couple others,Like Atlantis NTSC/Pal Converter....

Thx Minion for your advice , do you know where i can find these programs to download ??

thx again

mark

Well Procoder is Quite a expensive Program,it runs about $700 and Antlantis NTSC/Pal converter costs about $150 but you can get AVISynth for Free at http://www.videotools.net but it will take you Quite a While to learn how to use AVISynth cuz it isn"t really a program it is more of a Comand line application which involves writeing Scripts, it is Quite difficult to Totally master...

Could please somebody explain to my why TMPGEnc does NOT accept .VOB files as input??!! I'm waiting for this darn fuction to be implemented for 2 years now. I'm sure like 70% of all user would like to have this! I mean, if you go to TMPGEnc's MPEG Tools->De-Multiplex .VOB files can perfectly be processed. So what is the problem with adding them directly as source, choose the desired audiotrack and off you go?? (I know, there's a way with external filters and all but it still doesn't work for me with 2.58...) I really don't understand why TMGEnc is lacking this super-important function, especially since TMPGEnc is said to be *THE* MPEG encoding tool...

Anybody?

You can encode VOB files with Tmpgenc but you can"t get any audio or can"t choose the audio track and and the Encodeing takes Forever, but Full Vob Support is A LOT Harder than It sounds, because VOB files Can have up to 99 audio tracks Subitile tracks and Other video tracks which would take Quite a Large Software overhaul to Implement support for all these options, There is a New Virtual Dub that has VOB support called Virtualdub-mpeg2, that lets you load Mpeg2/Vob files into Virtual Dub then frame serve them to Tmpgenc or CCE...You never know there might be some sort of VOB support on Version-3,..

Just use DVD2AVI to create a D2v file to frameserve your vob files in TMPGEnc.

thanks for your answers. very interesting. i'm gonna check out that virtual dub version. about dvd2avi: that's what i wanted to avoid, because i think there are sometimes some audio issuses (some test movies were not 100% sync for me). ONE tool for the whole process would me much better (from a bug-free-functionality point of view)... well... guess we still have to wait for that.

You don"t have to use DVD2AVI to do the audio, you just choose "Demux" in the audio settings in DVD2AVI then it will de-mux the AC3 track then you can use something like Headac3e to encode the audio to mp2...I personally haven"t had Sync issues related to DVD2AVI but Tmpgenc does a good just of makeing out of sync Mpeg files sometimes...

Hi......
I have processed with TMPEG my Dv file captured from my Dv camcorder......Now, the problem is that I don't know what type of video (MPEG 2?!?!??) TPEG has generated......
Wich format TMPEG give? I need this becouse I want to see this video file on other pc but Windows Media Player don't found the correct codec for open the file....so, on my pc Windows Media Player open this correctly and I can see my video.....
How i can do?!?!?

(excuse me for my English.....)

Thank you minion form above help, I have reformulated my question.....

How are we supposed to know what format you encoded your file to??You encoded it??It"s probably mpeg2 cuZ media player will play most everything else includeing mpeg1.......

I have encode with TMPEG.....
bitrate 15000, format MPEG2, 25f/ps PAL......

I know this has nothing to do with TMPGEnc,but i recently reformatted my harddrive and can't find my cd-key for microsoftword 2000. Do anyone out there have the 25 digit cd-key for microsoft word 2000???

Thanks in advance for your help!!

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