What is the purpose of the Simple De-Multiplex option in TMPGEnc? I read the conversion tutorial at Doom9.org and it says to go do that option after it finishes converting and go to bbMPEG to paste it together. But after it finishes converting, isn't the audio and video already together? Is this really necessary? I don't find much difference.

De-Multiplex means that you take a file with audio and video and make two files from it, one audio only and one video only.

If you converted a source file that has audio and video then they are multiplexed into one file (togather) by deafult, unless you have chosen specifically to make a video only or audio only file.

What BBMpeg does is to multiplex audio and video streams togather. It has more options then TMPGEnc does so it can increase the file's competability with some programs. I use it very rarely in very specific cases, as 99.9% of the time TMPGEnc does a fine job for me...

What kind of conversion have you done? To VCD? Or SVCD?

Mpeg Obsession

I did normal VCD this time and I didn't have to do the source range because it said if the video file was under 80 minutes (for VCD), then you don't have to do the source range. The conversion finished successfully! Should I do the Simple De-Multiplex?

I just found out, the finished MPG is 1.30GB! How can I make it smaller? Will I have to cut it after all? I'm hoping to use only one CDR. The CDR I'm using is 700MB and 80MIN. Please help! I didn't De-Multiplex it yet.

Under 80min but 1.3GB? What settings/bitrate did you use? Didn't you load the VCD tamplete?

Hehe...I wanted better quality so I set the VCD(PAL) template first (because it was 25fps) then I went to unlock and went to the bitrate to set it to Automatic VBR, quality is 50 and the maximum bitrate is 2520 and the minimum bitrate is 0. But, there was not one single error!

If you change the bitrate, under "System" you have to change the stream type to "VCD Non standard". If you didn't while encoding then go to "File->Mpeg tools->Multiplex" add your converted file, and under the type list select "VCD Non standard".

You now have only one option: Split it to two discs, each having 40min, or what ever will fit on one disc.

No other alternatives unfortunatly. Only other way is to reduce the bitrate to the standard (of a normal VCD): that is- 1150kbps, where every 1min of video equels 1min of space on a CD.

Also, 2520kbps is quite high, at some point it gets to be a waste of space, I got perfect results at 1820-1900, and are you sure your DVD player can play such high bitrate MPEG1? (Fact that it can play very high bitrat of MPEG-2 doesn't allways mean it can play high bitrate of MPEG-1)

Mpeg Obsession

So if I don't want to split it to 2 discs, I'll have to re-encode again and have a smaller bitrate? I'm wondering why it takes me so long to convert one movie, about 15 hours! Thanks for the help.

How do I work the Merge & Cut option? I added my movie file and then double-clicked on the file name. Then an error occurred saying "Could not initialize DirectShow". But you can still press the up and down buttons for Range. Do I select "00:00:00" for the first box?

When I can"t get the Merge & Cut to Work which is Quite often ,I use BBMpeg"s Multiplexor to Cut the File and set it to Cut the File at every 750-795mb,,this works really well ....

Where do I download that? Actually, I think the Merge & Cut option works fine. Only the DirectShow is the problem...so I'll try that.

I agree with Minion, using bbmpeg could be better cause you can select to split not only by time, but also by file size.
you can find it here http://www.doom9.org
look for it in the download section.

mpeg obsession

when i start to make a vcd it gives me an error of either "not enough memory" or not enough virtual memory. but last night it worked. i set 2 files to batch encode, and the first worked, the second didnt. so i rebooted, and now it just gives me those errors. any ideas on what happened?

p.s. i have plenty of hd space, ram and virtual memory to run the program to vcd, it just doesnt work

I am having trouble with Making VCD's. I am using TMPGenc with the standard VCD format. THe VCD's play perfectly from my hard drive, and they play fine on the computer. When I try them in a DVD they play half way thru just fine and then breakup badly to the point they wont play anymore. Both DVD players I use are VCD compatable. Anyone have a clue what I am doing wrong? Any help appreciated.

You have burned the disk too fast.
Many DVD players have problems with disks burned at high speed. The problem is that too many errors are introduced to the disk when burned at high speeds and VCD can't handle this as it corrupts the MPEG data. PC's seem to handle this much better as the drives are better at reading CDR's.

Lower your speed and if you can burn at 4x this will be best.

ASHY

Thanks for the response. I burned the VCD at 4x with Roxio. How can I burn it any slower? roxio won't let me change this setting. Thanks.

The range of burn speed is dependent on your CD burner. The software can't over-ride the hardware's specifications without damaging the hardware. I have a Sony burner with a range of 1x-32x and a Lite-on with a range of 4x-32x. No matter if I use Nero, CDRWin, or CloneCD, my Lite-on will never allow me to burn slower then 4x.

If you are already burning at 4x then you shouldn't have problem.
Have you cut this file at all?

Your best bet is to use another burning program. Roxio is absolutely crap for VCD burning.
Use NERO or VCDeasy.

If you still have problems then it is likely your player doesn't like your disks.
The problem exists because some cheap disks have unstable dyes which become harder to read as heat builds up in the player heating the disk and the dye.

Try another disk type and don't use CDRW.

For your info the Datasafe brand are quite cheap, but are excellant for VCD burning. The best I have ever used and I have tried most. Just make sure they are the ones made by RITEK.

ASHY

If you are already burning at 4x then you shouldn't have problem.
Have you cut this file at all?

Your best bet is to use another burning program. Roxio is absolutely crap for VCD burning.
Use NERO or VCDeasy.

If you still have problems then it is likely your player doesn't like your disks.
The problem exists because some cheap disks have unstable dyes which become harder to read as heat builds up in the player heating the disk and the dye.

Try another disk type and don't use CDRW.

For your info the Datasafe brand are quite cheap, but are excellant for VCD burning. The best I have ever used and I have tried most. Just make sure they are the ones made by RITEK.

ASHY

If you are already burning at 4x then you shouldn't have problem.
Have you cut this file at all?

Your best bet is to use another burning program. Roxio is absolutely crap for VCD burning.
Use NERO or VCDeasy.

If you still have problems then it is likely your player doesn't like your disks.
The problem exists because some cheap disks have unstable dyes which become harder to read as heat builds up in the player heating the disk and the dye.

Try another disk type and don't use CDRW.

For your info the Datasafe brand are quite cheap, but are excellant for VCD burning. The best I have ever used and I have tried most. Just make sure they are the ones made by RITEK.

ASHY

>If you are already burning at 4x then you shouldn't have problem.
>Have you cut this file at all?
>
>Your best bet is to use another burning program. Roxio is absolutely crap for VCD burning.
>Use NERO or VCDeasy.
>
>If you still have problems then it is likely your player doesn't like your disks.
>The problem exists because some cheap disks have unstable dyes which become harder to read as heat builds up in the player heating the disk and the dye.
>
>Try another disk type and don't use CDRW.
>
>For your info the Datasafe brand are quite cheap, but are excellant for VCD burning. The best I have ever used and I have tried most. Just make sure they are the ones made by RITEK.
>
>ASHY

Thanks ASHY

Had the same results with Nero. I use Imation CD-R's 80 min 700 MB. What retailers sell the RITEK CD's? Any other ideas appreciated.

Hello everyone,

Assuming that encode time doesn't matter, what encode settings will give me the best SVCD?

Thanks for your help!

Experience and lots of trial and error are your best tools.

ASHY

Hi Ashy,

Thanks for the reply. What I was looking for was what encode type has the best output, 2 pass, constant quality?

I've used 2 pass in the past, but am I missing something?

Thanks again.

Constant Quality will Give you the Best Quality for encodeing Clean Sources But if your Source file isn"t very good Quality you might get Slightly better results with 2 pass.......

I sugest useing either CQ or CBR, depending on how long your movie is... TMPGEnc's 2-pass VBR is very problematic, especially in low bitrates so I wouldn't use it...

M-O

CQ VBR is the way to go. It almost always gives better results than the 2 pass.

Try these settings and I think u will agree:

Rate control - Constant quality(CQ)
Min bitrate - 1800
Max bitrate - 4000 (if player can handle it)
Quality - 65
Motion search precision - high quality
VBV buffer size '0' (automatic)
Audio bitrate -160

These should allow a 100min regular movie to fit 2 80min disks.

ASHY

Thanks everyone for the replies.

I tried CQ 0-2000 bit rate (the limit of my player), 192k sound, 100 quality.

Looked beutiful to me, with a little blockiness showing is a fire scene.

Thanks again for your help!

i had a movie in avi and i wanted to make a vcd from the avi ...
can i see this vcd's files in my computer??

Please explain your Question Better????

i just made a vcd but i can't see the video why is that..

Is your TV switched on.....?

i had a movie in avi and i wanted to make a vcd from the avi ...
can i see this vcd's files in my computer??

The file writen on the vcd is in DAT format just open windoes media player or whatever you use and point to the file.

Did you see a Picture in the Tmpgenc window while you were encodeing???? If you didn"t then there is No Picture in the File and the AVI wasn"t encoded Properly....

After I encode an MPEG 2 file, i reach a file size that is over 2 gig which Nero says is too large for an ISO file system . What do I do??? What file format shout I use to burn to a DVD//

You can't burn MPEG2 files directly to DVD with NERO. You have to author them first with DVD authoring software to create the correct format.

ASHY

What software due you recommend to author????

You can find few free programs for that in www.doom9.org

M-O

You can find most here:
http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/authoring.html

ASHY

You can find few free programs for that in www.doom9.org

M-O

hello guys
i got some problem
my tmpgenc recognizes not all Frames when i convert a m2v file from
7500 kbit to 5500 he recognizes yust ~72000 frames but the movie have 176000 frames so he cuts the movie after 55min. and says finished but the rest of the movie is missing :/ what do i wrong ? ;(

have phun
Lydafo

Option>Enviromental setting>VFAPI plugins. Raise the priority of the 'Directshow file reader to '2'
Restart TMPG and load file again.

ASHY

i tryed that but the same i open file he says 70000 frames but the file have 173000 :///
any other ideas please ?

cu Lydafo

Well all the frames after 70000 could be Corrupted...If you go to the source range and scan to the end of the file what is there? does the movie end after 70000 frames or do they Just turn Black?? You can try to Frame serve the File with AVISynth of Virtual Dub and see if they read all the frames, if they only read 70000 frames then they Problem is Probably with your File....

The best way would be to load the file into DVD2AVI and create a d2v project file then load this into TMPG.

DVD2AVI is much better at decoding MPEG2 files than most other software and codecs and works very well with TMPG.

ASHY

Hallo!

With the very last release I get an uncorrect MPEG2 file. At the bottom of the whole movie, there is a green line. The AVI file (created by Pinnacle Studio7) does not show this line. There's also no problem, when creating an MPEG2-file directly with Pinnacle Studio7.

Any idea?

Michael

This is an aspect ratio problem. The AVI must be an illegal size. It must be in multiples of 16.
You can correct this with Virtualdub then frameserve to TMPG.

ASHY

>This is an aspect ratio problem. The AVI must be an illegal size. It must be in multiples of 16.

The size is exactly the same as of the target MPEG: 720 x 576

I found out, that this green line is not fully coloured. It's transparent-green. PowerDVD doesn't show it, so maybe it's not a faulty AVI-file. But PowerDVD shows it in the MPEG. Why?

Pinnacle Studio MPEG-encoder deletes this line and changes its colour to black, as I found out, when exporting the movie directly to MPEG with Studio7.

>You can correct this with Virtualdub then frameserve to TMPG.

Ok, I have downloaded VDub. How can I connect TMPGenc to it and how can I set the video-size?

The easiest way seems to be, to set the very last line to black. How can I achieve this?

Bert

It is probably simpler to just mask this green line with TMPG.

Load your AVI then click 'setting' click the 'advanced tab' then the 'clip frame' filter. Tick 'bottom mask' then adjust the setting so that the line is masked then encode as normal.

ASHY

>Load your AVI then click 'setting' click the 'advanced tab' then the 'clip frame' filter. Tick 'bottom mask' then adjust the setting so that the line is masked then encode as normal.


Thanks a lot! That's exaktly what I wanted to do, but didn't know how.

Bert

All,

I tried to figure out how one can make a fast file size estimation like the way it is done by DVD2SVCD (doom9) but didn't figure out how this works. Therefore I tried to look at the help, but no help file was found ...
So could anyone point me to some in depth help of tmpg features and/or tell me how to do such a fast estimation.

Thanx a lot
edw.

Download TMPG plus for the helpfile

ASHY

I need some help again. I'm trying to make an SVCD movie. The source file is 25.000fps and size 320x185. I'm pretty sure it's 1 hour 39 minutes and 44 seconds long. I'm using TMPGEnc of course and I'm following this guide:

http://www.vcdhelp.com/tmpgencsvcd.htm

What I don't get is to cut the movie in half. How can it fit even if you cut it in half? And besides, after you cut it in half, when you burn the CD with Nero, it has a 5 second pause that I can't do anything about. Also, it takes 8 hours to burn the first part and probably another 8 hours for the second part. And TMPGEnc suddenly messed up when burning the first part for some unknown reason. Something about the stream. Please help!

Your Makeing a Pal SVCD?? and you want to Cut it in Half or Encode it in Half??? You can do both..if you go to "Settings" to "Source Range" and Double Click it, here is were you can set it to encode the first half or any part of the File...Or you can encode the Whole file and cut it in Half with the Editor..Go to "File" to Mpeg Tools" to "Merge & Cut" here you can cut the file in half...and What are you talking about with takeing 8 hours to Burn the File to disk?? It shouldn"t take more than 10-15 minutes to burn the File to a Disk in VCD/SVCD Format, Or are you letting Nero Re-Encode the Movie?? If so thats a Big No No.....

You have mad some 'BIG' mistakes here. You have done almost everything wrong!

Firstly to cut the movie in half you use the Merge&Cut feature in the MPEGtools.

Secondly when you cut you are supposed to put each part on a different disk not burn both to the same disk.

Thirdly the pause is automatically put in by Nero between tracks, but can be removed by right clicking the file and selecting properties, but you wont need to do this because you are not going to burn both parts on one disk, so you will only have the one track.

Lastly you have loaded an ordinary MPEG2 file into TMPG, I guess you cut this movie and didn't use 'MPEG2 Super VideoCD(VBR)' as the stream setting when you cut it.

This will cause NERO to give you an 'Illegal stream error' which is why you are saying TMPG messed up. You messed up not TMPG.
What has happened is Nero has re-encoded the file again which is why it took 8 hours.
Burning only takes minutes.

Go back to your SVCD guide and read it very carefully again!

ASHY

Thanks for the replies but let me make it more clearer because I still don't understand. First, I have an AVI (DivX) file that's 1 hour 39 minutes and 43 seconds long. I first used VDub to make a WAV of the audio. The AVI source file is 25.000fps and I want to put the movie onto one SVCD. I read this how-to:

http://www.vcdhelp.com/tmpgencsvcd.htm

They said that if I had a source file that's more than 60 minutes, it's best that I should cut it in half so I followed their directions for source range as best I can and selected the first half of the movie to convert to MPG. For the mcf thing under "Load" in TMPGEnc, I chose SVCD(PAL).mcf. So I started the conversion for the first half of the movie, this will take 10 hours! While it was at 41%, a error occurred in TMPGEnc saying "Illegal Stream Error" or something like that and the conversion stopped at 41%.

I am currently scanning the source AVI for bad frames like you said ASHY.

I know this has been discussed before, but I
don't see a solution for me. I know it has
something to do with interlacing video and the
field order.
I encode with Tmpeg 2.58
Here are my settings:
Video:

Stream - Mpeg-2 video
size - 720 x 480
aspect - 4:3
Frame rate - 29.97fps
rate control - 2-pass VBR
Profile - Main Profile &Main Level(MP@ML)
format - NTSC
encode - Interlace
yuv - 4:2:0
DC - 10 bits
Motion - Highest quality

Advanced

video - Interlace
Field - Bottom first(B)
source - 4:3 525 line(NTSC)
video arrange - Full Screen

GOP structure

I = 1
P = 3
B = 2
header = 1

most of the DVD is fine, looks wonderful.
But I have 2 clips and a motion menu that
has caused me grief. The two clips seem
to strobe just a little especially where
there is high motion, lines even appears
in those areas. The motion menu is a transistion
from one menu to the next, high movement.
It shows lots of lines. The rest of the DVD plays
fine.
In preview, on Tmpeg I have used the Deinterlace
under Advanced menu and scrubed through to check.
This seems to solve the problem but create another.
The motion is Rock solid, but the still part
of the video seems to be blurred when using this
solution. Help.

You have just discovered one of the quirks of DVD.

On a lot of DVD's the menu's and extras are encoded in a different way to the main movie.

Whereas the main movie is probably stored as FILM with 3:2 pulldown added, the extras and clips are mixture of FilM content and non FILM content.

The reason for this is that the clips are created at a different time to the main movie in a different way and then just hashed together with the main movie to create one complete DVD.

It plays back smoothly when watched, but causes a big headache when trying to encode it.

So what you are trying to do is use the same process on different types of encoding which really need to be tackled differently.

The way to do this is to encode the menu and extras first using whichever filters give the best result then encode the main movie.
Then you join both parts together with the MPEG tools and then author as normal.

ASHY

Strobing during motion sounds a lot like incorrect field order. Especially if the source is video, not film. "Bottom" field is correct for DV but many analog capture cards are "top field first".

Search for a program called "PULLDOWN.EXE". Among other very useful things it can flip the field order flags without having to reencode.

A foolproof way to determine field order before burning is to use something like avisynth to show each field as a complete frame (bob deinterlace) and step through the video. Avisynth assumes bottom field first so if the frames are jerky, you have top first video. (Use the ComplementParity command to smooth out the video and confirm.)

I have never tried it, but starting the entire encode process in wizard mode is supposed to enable field order detection. Give that a shot and see if top gets selected.