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Have a file that is 25fps. I know that is not the format for the US. Vcdhelp is down. Can you refer me to a tutorial if it is something that can be done?
There might be a tutorial at "Vcdhelp.com", there are a couple of ways to do it , you can do it by useing "avi frame rate converter" to change the frame rate to 23.9fps, but then the audio track will be shorter than the video track so you need to extract the audio and use a good audio editing program like "Cool Edit" or "Sound Forge 6" to stretch the audio to the exact length of the video file...that is the hard way, the easier way would be to use either a program called "DV Film Maker" it will turn Pal movies into 29.9fps NTSC movies and so will "ProCoder".....
most standalone players will play ntsc vcd's and svcd's as well as pal vcd's and svcd's.
at least the ones i have had in my posession so far.
my experience is that pal vcd played on a ntsc standalone plays better than that same pal vcd converted to ntsc vcd and then played
and that goes the other way around to, a ntsc vcd played on a pal player is better then that same ntsc vcd converted to pal and then played
most standalone players with vcd and/or svcd support have built in convertors.
PAL players will internaly convert the ntsc vcd's to PAL/60 output
which any decent PAL tv can display.
the same sort of thing happens when a pal vcd is played on a ntsc player.
the problem only comes up if you have pal and ntsc sources that you want to use both since only one or the other is allowed for vcd and svcd.
as long as you don't need to mix the 2, you can just burn a ntsc vcd if the mpeg is ntsc or a pal vcd if the mpeg is pal.
The same thing applies to dvd btw, ntsc dvd's can play without problems on pal players and visa versa. (if they are not encrypted that is)
Sorry I'm gonna have to disagree.
Even though most DVD players are capable of playing NTSC or PAL formats. If the movie is not in the machines native format it will be converted to it's native format, but the playback will be choppy as most if not all players do not do proper frame rate conversions. I have experienced this on a few players and as far as I'm concerned is not acceptable viewing.
The only way for satisafctory viewing is to do a proper frame rate conversion with the right tools and not leave it to the DVD player.
The easiest and best way I have found for simple conversion is to use AVIsynth which will do a pretty good job without having to bother stretching and shrinking the audio to match the length of the changed framerate movie.
Download it and make yourself familar with it and I'll give a simple script which will do the conversion.
Ashy,
Don't know what I am doing wrong. Downloaded the file, moved the .dll file to windows/system, installed the avisyth, but when I tried the tutorial, it didn't work. Did I miss a step. There was no troubleshooting.
everytime i post here you guys talk to me like i understand what ur saying please take it easy explain it in simple terms. All im trying to do is to make a VCD not SVCD cuz my dvd payer wont play SVCD and dvd author it without reencoding can someone help
load your movie file into the freeware program called tmpgenc.click on the button called "load" on the bottom right corner of tmpgenc and choose the file called VideoCD(NTSC).mcf if u are in america or japan or VideoCD(PAL) for europe or australia. Many dvd players can play both formatts anyway ie NTSC or PAL VCDs.The file u load is called a template and tells tmpgenc to encode the file as a standard VCD.now make sure the output file name is named what u want it named as and then press start. After encoding it u will have to use some cd burning software that can burn it as a VCD.Burning the resulting mpg straight on the cd (ie data cd) will not work. VCDs have the mpg and other special folders and files that must be there for the dvd player to recognise the disk. I havn't used dvd authoring soft so i can help u with that ....i presume it burns vcds and dvds? i use vcdeasy to burn.If u use the tmpgenc template then no re-encoding should be nescerry.
ps if the audio is out of synch with the video when playing back the encoded mpg then u might have to seperate the audio and video of the input file and load them seperately into tmpgenc
hopefully thats simple enough for u. There are some details like framerate not mentioned (ie output frame rate is set to either pal or ntsc that u choose...u should make the choice based on the framerate of the input file. PAL is 25fps and ntsc is 29.97 fps. try to keep the frame rate the same as the input file. Is this correct experts?lol)
load your movie file into the freeware program called tmpgenc.click on the button called "load" on the bottom right corner of tmpgenc and choose the file called VideoCD(NTSC).mcf if u are in america or japan or VideoCD(PAL) for europe or australia. Many dvd players can play both formatts anyway ie NTSC or PAL VCDs.The file u load is called a template and tells tmpgenc to encode the file as a standard VCD.now make sure the output file name is named what u want it named as and then press start. After encoding it u will have to use some cd burning software that can burn it as a VCD.Burning the resulting mpg straight on the cd (ie data cd) will not work. VCDs have the mpg and other special folders and files that must be there for the dvd player to recognise the disk. I havn't used dvd authoring soft so i can help u with that ....i presume it burns vcds and dvds? i use vcdeasy to burn.If u use the tmpgenc template then no re-encoding should be nescerry.
ps if the audio is out of synch with the video when playing back the encoded mpg then u might have to seperate the audio and video of the input file and load them seperately into tmpgenc
hopefully thats simple enough for u. There are some details like framerate not mentioned (ie output frame rate is set to either pal or ntsc that u choose...u should make the choice based on the framerate of the input file. PAL is 25fps and ntsc is 29.97 fps. try to keep the frame rate the same as the input file. Is this correct experts?lol)
There is no way to make a vcd that is authored like a dvd. vcd doesn't have the features of dvd.
To be able to play a minidvd (a dvd burned to cd) your dvdplayer needs to be able to play minidvd (i know of only one).
since it doesn't even play svcd you can forget about dvd like cd-r's
all you can do is make a vcd that has svcd with vcd headers and fool the dvdplayer, but you are still bound to the limitations of vcd as far as chaptering and menu's is concerned.
for making a vcd without reencoding you need a vcd compliant mpeg1.
you could fool the player by replacing the headers of a svcd compliant mpeg2, but not every player will be able to deal with that.
to do just that, you start tmpgenc, choose file>mpegtools from the menu.
that will open a screen with 5 tabs click the tab that says: simple multiplex.
set type to: MPEG-1 Video-CD.
choose the path and file that contains the video in Video input.
if that file also contains the audio it will automaticaly fill the audio input and the output fields, if not choose the seperate audio file in audio input.
eventualy you can choose a different path +filename in output if you want.
click on run and wait, it doesn't reencode, but it takes a while to replace all the svcd sequence headers with vcd sequence headers
when finished, use nero or easy CD creator to burn a vcd.
that's all.
i don't think there is a way to tell you simpler.
the rest is a matter of reading up on vcd's try www.vcdhelp.com, they have several guides that you can use if you want to add chapters or menu's. that has nothing to do with encoding.
I use the Batch Encode in version 2.57.41.146-Free, some time it works but a lot of time, it only run 1 or 2 items in the list and the program quit by itseft. Very rare that it would finish all items in the list.
I have the same problem. It used to work and then all of a sudden it quit working. I never get more than one, whether i use the wizard, or the regular batch list.
Someone suggested changing priority settings in the Environment list, but so far none of these has done anything for me.
not for me... i think you just gotta be patient, sometimes mine works and other it doesnt, i havent yet worked out what makes the difference...
any other help?
Encoding puts more stress than other application on your PC, Batch encoding puts
even more! So we need stable system, and over clock is out of question.
Sometime CPU gets too hot while encoding longer then usual, also
statistically, Win2K, XP seems to be better than 9X, Me.
Hi. I am new at this. I have an .avi file from Kazaa and I am able to put the audio information in, but the error "can not open or unsupported" comes up for video. I have no video. What am I doing wrong? Thanks.
Hi... For the past few months I have been downloading movies from KaZaa... and 1 out of 4 of the camcorder "now at theater" movies turn out to be blanks. If you have been following the news at WIRED.COM or stories in the NY Times you would be aware that some Congressmen are ass-kissing buddies of the Recording Industry of America (RIAA). There is a bill pending - if it has not already passed- that allows the RIAA and other copyright owners to deliberately place empty space files, or mislabled files, in set-ups like KaZaa. The hope is that by making us waste time downloading and disk space. that we will stop using the programs.
So it may not be a problem on your end at all!
I downloaded a file of XXX the Vin Diesal film. It took 3 hours to download. said it was an .avi file. Went to play it in Windows media player, and got a message that the file was in an unrecognized format. Now I have almost every codec known on my computer... so the "Unknown format" I believe , was simply no video was transmitted. Just a lot of "nothing'.
There may be a better explanation... if so, I'm all ears!!!
try Clone-CD and thank me later!
Just a qwik guess!
In fact quite a few of these mysterious flix that people think are no good or empty are perfctly fine just Clone-CD which wont burn on a reg nurning proggie!
I am sorry to post such a aff-base topic but I have searched and searched for a forum that will answer it to no avail. Plus everyone here seems to be so intelligent in all areas of Video editing, I thought there had to be many that could answer my questions. I won't post it now but if anyone is willing to try and answer my questions please reply and then I will ask my question. (they are regarding firewire cards, and dv editing from a camcorder) It is related because ultimately I will use tmpgenc to encode the final product. Thanks
hey minion or any1 else out there these are my settings
Stream type- MPEG-1 video
size- 352 x 240
Aspect ratio- 4:3 525 line (NTSC)
Frame rate- 29.97 fps
Rate control mode- Constant bitrate
Bitrate- 1150
VBV buffer size- 40
profile &level- MAin profile and main level
video format- NTSC
encode mode- non interlace
YUV mode- 4:2:0
DC component percision- 8 bit
motion search percision- normal
would i be able to dvd author this program wath ulead dvd workshop withut it it being reencoded if not how can i make it standard what do i have to change if so how can i increase the quality of my VCD by making it non standard thanx
there is more that you will have to set
if you need to set closed GOPs and 15 frames/GOP or ulead won't eat it, audio should be 224 kbps mpeg2.
standard tmpgenc is set to 18 frames / GOP.
Depending on the template yu choose ulead wil or will not reencode.
if you choose mpeg1 video, it will always reencode as far as i know, if you use mpeg2 (svcd or dvd) you have to set different resolutions and use a cbr mpeg2 as source or it will again reencode there is a template for custom that allows you to set the bitrate, if you use that, set it higher than the cbr source, then it willnot reencode.
Also it only accepts 4:3 ratio mpegs
That is as far as i know.
Its all in the helpfiles of dvdworkshop.
if you are making vcd's or svcd's dvdworkshop is not the way to go.
Then VCDeasy would be a better choice and it works much faster.
dvd can have mpeg1 content, but it still has to be compliant with dvd.
you can use mpeg1, but it has to be either 352x288 or 352x576 for pal
or 352x240 or 352x480 for ntsc.
You cannot use mpeg2 480 wide with fake vcd headers.
it has to conform to the resolutions
now i don't know what authoring tool you use, dvdworkshop i believe, i don't think that can actualy produce mpeg1 dvd's
you need a professional dvd authoring tool for that.
dvd maestro or the program they use hollywood, scenarist can do mpeg1 dvd.
i think dvd workshop only accepts full screen 4:3 mpeg2 as input
not even 16:9 mpeg2
its a tool for private use, so don't expect to much of it
When I try star no run,show a window with this mensage (Index of scan line is out of range (304)).
I try to do SVCD, frame about 58400 ,video bitrate 2236,audio :224,size 727.78 MB,
Im select set star,and set end,in source range.
I try with the wizard and without this ,but get the same result.
I like to know what happend about it,i apreciatted much your help.
Right i have encoded some svcd films from avi's but when i play them in my stand alone DVD player there seems to be some random jumping it's not very often but its there i am using the project wizard with me settings being
i use the decompress tool in avi2vcd_ver1_4 for the audio
cut video at source range b4 encoding
motion search percission = highest quality
video arrange method = full screen (keep aspect ratio)
disk capacatiy 100% 80 min cdr
also could someone recomend some extra settings for improving the picture quality please
system specs if needed
512 ddr mem
1x60 ibm 1X80ibm
2000 Xp cpu
8500 radeon
real magic dvd out-put card
insufficient data, does not compute,
based on what you gave us there is no way to tell you what is going wrong.
start at the beginning, what are you using for input?
video: codec, cbr or vbr, fps,bitrate, resolution, aspect ratio
audio: codec, cbr or vbr, samplerate, bitrate ?
use the svcd template, in advanced set closed gops,in audio set error protection.
don't mess with search precission etc, the settings in the template are ok,
try using 2-pass vbr,
from what you gave us it can be a number of things that go wrong:
most likely you might have to raise directx priority
Right i am encoding from a divx dvd quality i decompress the audio using avi2vcd_ver1_4 audio decompressor then i load up TMPGEnc start the project wizard load up me file that i am going to convert i goto source range and cut me film in half then i goto other settings and set the picture to full screen keep aspect ratio set the motion search to normal or highest depending how i feel :) then i set the bitrate so that it uses 100% disk space of a 80min cd
the template is the one that it uses for the project wizard
I am new with this program ... i am trying to make a mpeg 1 file for video cd ... the whole encoding part works finne but when i play the file with a player theres no sound at all ... could anyone help me ?
icq number use it !
Is ther audio in the mpeg file but not in the VCD??? or is there no audio in the mpeg file either???If there is no audio in either it could be because the audio format in your avi file is not supported by Tmpgenc..tmpgenc does not like to encode certain audio formats, what you have to do is use"Virtual Dub" to extract the audio from your AVI file to a wav file and use the wav file as your audio source...But if the audio was in the Mpeg file but you can"t hear it on your TV then it could be that the audio was set to the wrong frequency in Tmpgenc ,the audio frequency for VCD"s is 41000khz and a lot of players will not play it if it isn"t that frequency.......
um in several posts u have put 41000khz for audio which is an order of 1000 too large lol and more importantly the number is 44100 in hertz...lol not to be too perdantic
I feel like I'm pounding my head on a brick wall. I've been through so many "how to" tutorial pages...well, enough whining.
1. I captured approx 30 minutes video with avi_io(huffyuv)@480X480 no problem.
2. Loaded the 6 avi's into virtualdub and edited out the adverts no problem.
3. Installed the virtualdub frameserve client and started the frameserver in virtualdub. Saved the file as ***.vdr.avi as I had seen explained in one of the many tutorials.
4. Started tmpgenc and set the priority of the AVI VFW to '2'
5. Started the wizard and tried to load ***.vdr.avi and received an error message "File ***.vdr.avi cannot open or unsupported"
6. Repeat 2,3,4 and 5 with many other permutations and combinations including uninstalling/reinstalling the virtualdub frameserver client and rebooting comp with no change in error message.
I have searched the forums for 'frameserve' and 'frameserving' and many people talk about doing just that from vdub to tmpgenc like it was so easy. I must be doing something wrong. Any ideas??
why use a frameserver if tmpgenc can handle that avi directly?
just use the avi as input file, no frameserving necessary.
if you can capyure huffyuv, it means you have the codec installed and you can load it directly into tmpgenc.
I think that if you disable the "Direct show" filter in the Vfapi plugins that is supposed to help if you are haveing problems with VDR files..If you upgrade to XP you can use a Ntsf formated disk and not worry about semlessly joining 6 avi files in tmpgenc while frameserveing cuz you would have 1 big file......
Thanks guys. Yep, an XP upgrade will be in the works when the budget allows. Then I can be rid of that 2Gig nuisance.
I'm not at all familiar enough with any of the programs I'm using to know what I can and cannot do but from reading through this board I did not think that tmpgenc would handle more than one avi at a time or if you managed to batch process there was still the problem of joining them afterwards. Frameserving from my editor(vdub)solves those problems.
Actualy there is a way to have several avi's handled succesively by using the batch encoding feature.
if you encode right , merging the mpegs is not a problem either, because tmpg has de/multiplex and cut and join tool.
and using a seperate proggy to produce a batchfile(tbe) you can even have the joining done in batchmode
but it's a bit complicated
the only thing a frameserver adds when you encode from an avi source is more time to encode.
Here is a quick check to see whether the problem is the frame server client or TMPG which is causing the problem.
Create a .vdr file then start up another instance of Virtualdub. Now try and load the .vdr file into Virtualdub. If it loads the problem is with TMPG. If it doesn't then the problem is with the frame server client not being installed correctly.
If you still have problems with TMPG even though the file loads into Virtualdub ok then it is possible to load the .vdr file into the VFAPI converter and create a dummy AVI which will load into TMPG no problem.
I was just about to finally give up and buy XP after spending the afternoon at work(all our Unix servers were down) searching through many other sites of which at least 6 gave advice on this frameserving problem when I thought I would try one last time when I got home.
The answer to my problem was so simple it is truly pathetic.
When virtualdub asks for a file name to save the frameserve process to (is that correct?) you MUST put on the .vbr extension. It is not added automatically as I would have normally expected.
My one note of caution with this whole thing is that I have made a number of other changes/additions with dll's and such. But none of those other changes resulted in the frameserver working.
I'm suprised that was the answer as it doesn't usually matter whether you give it a .vdr extension or not.
I always give the file an .AVI extension without the .vdr extension and it works fine. It even works fine without any extension at all so I would guess that your solution is purely incidental and would probably work now without the .vdr extension. The Virtual dub frameserver is tempermental and for some reason can suddenly just start or stop working, but once you get it working you don't usually need the .vdr extension.