Avi to Mpg problem.

ok firstly i uncompress the avi with AVI Decompress.Then i load the decompressed avi file into TMPGEnc, set an output file name and so on.
The original avi frame rate is 23.xxx, but so i get the audio in pure sync i have to make the output files frame rate 29.xxx. I also change the picture size to 576x272, 4:3 525 (ntsc), i change the screen size because i hate wide screen and 576x272 gives me almost full screen without being too stretched.

Ok after the file is converted to Mpg and i watch it through either WM player or a software or hardware dvd player i get very slight jerky motion in the frames. The film is still very watchable. I just wondered if there were any settings in TMPGEnc so the film encoded smoother.?

Thanks in advance.

Use one of the templates in TMPEGEnc . For one, your picture size has to be 352X 240 or 352X288 for VCD

I know exactly what your problem is.

You can't just change the framerate from 23.976 to 29.976 like that. This is what is giving you jerky playback and why did you change it.
Is the original AVI out of sync with the audio?
First of all, how did you change the frame rate? Did you change the frame rate of the original AVI or just the setting in TMPG.
If the audio was out of sync in the original AVI and you just changed the framerate in TMPG then the audio would still be out of sync and whats with this silly resizing. This is not standard and I'm suprised it works at all in your hardware player.
If you don't like widescreen then all you have to do is leave the standard frame size at 352x240 and use the 'clipframe' option under advanced settings to clip the sides until your happy with the size.

I can help you with this but your going to have to go into more detail.

ASHY

>I know exactly what your problem is.
>
>You can't just change the framerate from 23.976 to 29.976 like that. This is what is giving you jerky playback and why did you change it.
>Is the original AVI out of sync with the audio?
>First of all, how did you change the frame rate? Did you change the frame rate of the original AVI or just the setting in TMPG.
>If the audio was out of sync in the original AVI and you just changed the framerate in TMPG then the audio would still be out of sync and whats with this silly resizing. This is not standard and I'm suprised it works at all in your hardware player.
>If you don't like widescreen then all you have to do is leave the standard frame size at 352x240 and use the 'clipframe' option under advanced settings to clip the sides until your happy with the size.
>
>I can help you with this but your going to have to go into more detail.
>
>ASHY
>

Thx for replying Ashy, ok here goes,

The original avi file is 23.976fps. If i use this option
VideoCD (NTSCFilm).mcf or SuperVideoCD (NTSCFilm) they keep the same framerate and i get no jumps at all. So basically the AVI was encoded/ripped in NTSC, Thats fine ive also worked out how to adjust the picture size and keep the finished product a standard vcd or svcd so the will burn properly.
And what should my VFAPI plugin setting be set to for best results.

System info: P4 2.2g, 2G DDR ram, 128mb GF4.(tho you probably dont need this info)


My other question is this. Im also trying to put the finished mpg onto VHS, basically for a friend because he does not have a dvd player.
Now with either of the 2 setting above they play smooth with WMP or through a hardware mpeg card or a software dvd player(the mpeg card has a svideo out option which i connect to the vhs recorder)but when it goes to tape i get the streaming jumps again. so its either something to do with the ntsc type file going the the vhs tape or its a problem with my setup.

anyways i'll keep playing with the settings and maybe i'll get it right.

I am using Premiere with prdominently DV files. The resulting video is approx 3.GB which will not encode using TMPGE presumably because it is type 1. How can I get from Premiere to TMPGE? Is there a utility to enable TMPGE as a plug-in? Or is there a Premiere output mode that can be encoded without undue quality loss? Uncompressed files would of course be too large!! Thanks John

Video Server is the solution! It fakes output from Premiere as an AVI output!
Visit www.videotools.net

Is it possible to play a cd that has been converted using mpeg2 on a playstation 2 dvd player? I have tried a couple of different ways of recording but still no luck. Any help much appreciated.

NO I DONT THINK SO BECAUSE THE OLD PLAY STATION -IN ORDER TO PLAY A BURNED
GAME YOU NEEDED TO INSTALL CHIP SO IT MIGHT BE THE SAME W/ PS2
IVE TRIED PLAYING BURNED DVDS ON MY FRIENDS PS2 IT DIDNT WORK

The ouput audio is lagged about 9-10ms in these two case:

1) Using a MPEG1 file as source to re-encode it.

2) Using the avisynth & virtualdub frameserver to combine multi MPEG1 files
as one source to encode it.

I has tried version 2.53.35.130 and 0.11.28.112.
At this time, I set the gap in source range to workaround it.

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I have the same problem with the TMPGEnc Plus Version 2.53.35.130 Audio i about 10mSec. after the video... I have a Dazzle card, and I grabbing in DVD quality (mpeg2) and then converting it the VCD, but then the audio is about this 10mSec. after the video, is this a but or???

I want to order the TMPGEnc Plus but not if there is a bug in it, PLEASE can anyone HELP!!! Can I get around this problem? er will the next version of TMPGEnc Plus have fixed this problem? Else I will start looking for another program for Video compiling...

HOPE ANYONE CAN HELP!

In the source range setting page you can offset the audio to get it synced to the video,it is a bit tricky and you have to encode a bunch of small parts and watch them to see if they are synced but this works fine for me and it has been a life saver more than once........

when I do that in the source section I get no sound at all

I have a divx file that plays fine in WM player. Its property shows ~43000 frames. When I try to convert it to mpeg1 (VCD NTSC), TMPGEnc shows ~96000 frames. The audio property of the file is MPEG Layer-3,159 kBit/s, 44,100 Hz, Stereo. If I try to only convert the video, then the frame count under TMPGEnc shows the correct number. This is only happening with one file. I assume that stopping the conversion prematurely will not correct the problem since the audio portion will not have finished converting yet. Is there some way to correct/get around this problem? Thanks in advance.

you can convert the audio seperately,load in your video file ,encode it to mpeg , then load in your audio and encode it then multiplex them together,this should work ...........

The is not converted before or after the video it is converted synchronously with the Video, so wherever you stop the video the audio will be encoded with it, so in theory if you stop it when the video ends you should have a movie in sync with the audio regardless of how many frames TMPG states it is.

Thats in theory, but have you actually tested it?

Anyway I suppose the best way round would to load up your AVI into Virtualdub and extract the audio to a wav file. This should then correct the frame count difference.
Then just load the wav as the audio into TMPG along with your movie and encode or if you already have the movie. Demultiplex the bad audio from it and just convert the wav on it's own without the video then multiplex it back with your movie.

ASHY

Sorry the first sentance should say:
The audio is not converted before or after the video it is converted synchronously with the Video....

Ashy

when I conver one DVD .vob file to svcd mpeg2 file,I only can conver the 3'24" in the top position of the whole 18'45" vob file.What can I do to conver the whole 18'45" longth?
PS:I am very very like this tool.Thanks for your works.

I dont think you are supposed to load vob files directly into "tmpgenc" make a project file with "dvd2avi" and load that in "tmpgenc" then I think your problems will be solved........

You can't rip all the vobs in sequence like that with TMPG. You need to create a project file with DVD2AVI.
Check this link out for more info.
http://www.vcdhelp.com/sefy/?id=ClassicalGuide.html

ASHY

Thanks for your advises^_^

when i get ready to go to the settings after i have chosen the fomat i get an error that says WIN 32 API Call FAILED. what can i do to fix this. Thanks for your time.

I get no audio from some mgs that have made for vcds created from avi's

some avi files work fine and others don't If i just play the avi on the PC the sound an video are fine. but the resulting mpg from TMPGEnc has great video but is silent no matter what settings I use. what am I missing?
I have tried to separate the audio with Virtualdub and have a squalky noisy chunky result.

All I can think of is that your audio is at the wrong frequency,the output frequency for vcd"s is 41000hz,and a lot of avi"s have a frequency of 48000hz,and make sure the audio bitrate is lower than 224kbs...

What format is the audio in.
Is it ac3 by any chance?

If it is your gonna need to extract it with Goldwave http://www.goldwave.com/gwave426.exe

You will also need to install these Ac3 filters
http://yunks.com/board/data/databank/files/20020215011225/AC3filters.exe

After you have installed Goldwave and the filters open up your AVI in Goldwave.
Wait for it to de-flash the file then click File>save as and save your audio as a wav then load that into TMPG as your audio with your movie.

ASHY

I got this problem too, no sound.

I use TMPgenc program to testing movie for only 1 minute from the project file that I created from DVDtoAVI. I got pictures, but the sound didn't show up.

My encoding movie is Starwars which is AC-3 I think. My problem was that when I created a project file from DVDtoAVI program with track 1 or 2 which seems to be wrong track, so I use ChapterX program to find the right track. I think my right sound track is track 6 because I show infomation for many chapters and the total time was 2 hours something

However, I changed the track when create project file in DVDtoAVI to track 6. DVDtoAVI didn't create a Wav file for me like it does when I choose track 1 or 2.

I believe that If I can get the right track and can create a Wav file from it, I should hear sound from them. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Sorry, Misspelling from DVDtoAVI to Dvd2Avi

when you rip a dvd with smartripper there is a file that tells you which track is english and what track has how many chanells and so on, whith this you should be able to figure out what track to extract to wav with dvd2avi....

The origional avi file audio apears to be vbr mp3 and is not ac3
since Virtualdub seems to screw up the audio with lots of noise I ended up playing movie with the media player that came with my alinwonder and recording in Cooledit. (great sound card so little loss) and using this Wav in the final mpg file not handy but it worked.

When you have ripped your VOBS look in the folder where they are located and you will see a test file called something like 'vts_01_INFO.txt'
Open this and look for where it says 'Stream Stream Info'.
Here you will find a list of audio streams. The first track is always 0x80 and is usually english.
The second track will be 0x80 and so on.

ASHY

Correction: The second track will be 0x81 and so on.

ASHY

Hi,

I have burned a avi to a xvcd movie using tmpgenc and the file is 1.1g but only 62minutes in length...how can I convert avi to either svcd or xvcd to get it to fit on a 700mg/80min cdr? I read somewhere that nero goes by the minutes and not the megs...but as I suspected nero won't do it...and when I was trying to burn it told me it was not mpeg2 compatible...(the high res and the 29.97)..is this normal for xvcd in nero? I would like to use either of these (svcd or xvcd)for the quality but I am a newbie at this...so if someone could explain the steps to me. What I have is in two parts already...so it would tell me that in xvcd I am looking at approx. 2gigs...but the movie is 2 hours so I would like to get it on two cdr. Would I maybe be looking at putting the two files together somehow then resplitting...I have never done this before, need the guided tour. I have been all over trying to find info but came up empty.

Thanks a million
Jules

if you want to make xvcd"s and get them to fit on cd"s, you have to choose your bitrates carefully,I usualy can get 60 min of high quality xvcd on a cd but the higher the bitrate the less you will fit on a cd.If I have a 2 hour movie I set the bitrate at 1700kbs and 128kbs for audio,and I get 1 hour on each cd,and if I have a 1 hour 30 min movie I set the bitrate at 2200kbs and 128kbs for audio and get 45 min on each cd,If you use the "vbr" settings you can manage to squeeze more on a disk,and you can get 800mb on a 700mb 80min disk ...I hope this helps a bit.....

oohhh:and I forgot for vcd and xvcd"s the frame size has to be 352 by 240,...

As you have discovered Nero obviously does not go by the time of the video, but the size in MB.
I have sent you some SVCD templates which will give you very nice quality with hardly any block noise and should allow you to fit a 100mins movie on two 80min disks.

ASHY

When convert avi file to VCD or SVCD I get combing on the horizontal motion (Pan) the only cure is to deinterlace the avi using ADOBE Premier. Is there a problem with the encoder or have I over looked a setting.
I use Pal - VCD or Pal - SVCD templates with TMPGEnc Version 2.51.33.127

Your Reply to this problem would be most helpful.

No need to deinterlace using Premiere - goto the "Advanced" tab and double click on the "deinterlace" entry and choose "Interlace even adaptive" (or similar). If you scroll through to an area with motion in it, you can see the effect by checking the enable box

Richard

If the movie is interlaced it could be the field order.
Make sure you have the field order set correctly otherwise you will get this problem.
If it is top field first that gives the problem change it to bottom field first and viceaversa.

ASHY

AVI output using the Intel IYUV codec (and others) produces files that are not readable by other applications (Media Player, editors) when the file exceeds 2GB.

Other software can produce legal files of any size or, like DVD2AVI, breaks the file into legal 2GB pieces. (DVD2AVI mishandles the audio :-( )

Is this a bug? If so, is it the type that might be fixed in future releases?

le probleme n'est pas du à ta compression en Avi

c'est que sous windows avec un Disque dur en FAT32 tu ne peux pas creer des fichiers superieurs à 2Go

il te faut formater une partition de ton disque dur en NTFS et creer ton fichier sur cette partition

I do not understand French but get your main point.

This problem occurs on a new machine. Win XP Pro, 160 GB NTFS Disk (ATA Raid).

The key point is that the Ulead editor (and others) can write AVI files much larger than 2GB fine. But they can not read 4:2:2@ML Mpeg. (Actually Ulead can not process ANY Mpeg.)

There does not seem to be any program that can process a large Mpeg file of any format into a single AVI file, with full codec support. Some programs get close but screw up the sound.

I'm not 100% on this, but the codec you are using is probably an old AVI Version 1 codec which have the 2gb limit.
To break this limit you will need an AVI version 2 codec such as an MPEG4 codec.

But I don't understand your point about the MPEG profile you mentioned. I take it we're talking MPEG2 here.
There is no limit when using an MPEG file on an NTFS file system.
TMPG should be able to produce an AVI from your MPEG no problem as long as you have the correct codec installed and are converting to the correct codec and in my opinion the DIVX5 codec has the best quality yet.
I have created many AVI's from MPEGs using various codecs in TMPG and have never had a sound problem.

ASHY

A little more backround. I want to archive Hi8 raw footage in a very high quality MPEG2 file for later editing. To edit, the footage would be bumped up to and AVI format that my Ulead editor likes. The Huffyuv codec works very well in Ulead.

Jumping ahead a few steps, the Ulead editor can save a file using the Huffy codec that exceeds 2GB and plays fine in any player. So I know that codec supports the new, large file, AVI format.

TMPGEnc outputting an AVI file with the exact same codec setting can NOT write a file larger that 2GB that plays on anything. Just under 2GB and the files work fine. This limits my archived clips to about 2.5 minutes when using Huffyuv RGB encoding. This is a cumbersome limit for raw footage.

It seems like something in TMPGEnc is "overruling" the codecs support for large files.

I think youre right TMPG doesn't produce files larger than 2gb.
Have you tried Virtualdub for this purpose.
I would think this program is more suited to your task for creating Avi's.
Apparantly Virtual dub can produce Open DML AVI files of any size on an NTFS file system.

So this should overcome your limit.

ASHY

Using VirtualDub seems to point to the root cause.

It reports "Missing Index Block" upon reading the AVI file and then proceeds to correct it! Saving with "direct stream copy" produces a legal file.

This really must be a bug. TMPG writes a correct index block if the file is <2GB but fails to write one if the file is >2GB.

Of course, I have no idea what an "Index Block" is, but the again, neither do the authors of TMPGEnc.

Ok, my problem is that the audio is not in sync with the video. Well in the beginning its fine but as the movie progresses (about halfway) the video gets more and more behind the aduio. (Hear Words Before Lips Move) does anyone know a program or how i can fix this?


Kocher06@aol.com

Try changing the Audio into a WAV file before using VirtualDub or something and then select it as the audio source when encoding with Tmpgenc. A nice easy tutorial which explains the process step by step can be found on VCDhelp.com