The program com up witvh this ven i try to convert a MOV
I have the tool from vcdhejp.com
All is okay until i press "start"
then it says "Illegal floating decimal point calculation order."

Whay ???
I have a Duron 750MHz 3*128MbRam

Morten Rick

tick/untick all the check boxes in the quantize matrix settings and increase the directshow filter to a higher priorty.

Techno

Try this:
Option -> Environmental setting: Under the "CPU" tab, remove the "Enable SSE" check.
Press the "Setting" button, Under the "Quantize matrix" tab, remove the "Use floating point DCT" check.

Hey

It diten help.....
"Under the "CPU" tab, remove the "Enable SSE" check" I can not en/disabel it.
It is disablet and gray. And the DCT thing wase disabled it ditent help.

Morten

I'm trying to make an mpeg-1 from one big vob file (4.97gb), and it loads up fine. Then I go to preview, the time, and video stop at around 49 min, but I know that there is 117 min to the vob file, because I played it in PowerDVD XP.

Please Help
Pete

do not use TMPGENC to convert vob's!!! bad move/idea I am afraid to say.

Techno

Hmm If you use the correct guides out there on the net, there should be no problem converting a vob file with Tmpgenc to a VCD or SVCD or whatever.

I find that purplemans guides are verry nice and easy (can be found under links on http://doom9.com)

The best way is to extract audio from vob file with msgraph, then running the vob file in dvd2avi and making a project file, load the project file and wav file into tmpgenc and convert. Works fine, nice and easy. Maby not the superbest quality but verry good and easy.

Regards Dennis

I think what techno is trying to say and my advice would be the same, DON'T encode directly from VOBS.
It is unecessary and will only increase the encoding time to 3x or 4x of that which it would take using the DVD2AVI method and it's unlikely you will any quality as the MPEG2 filters of DVD2AVI seem pretty good.

ASHY

Yes ASHY, that is what I meant, thanks for clearing it up! :)

Techno

To revert back to the original idea behind this BBS requires the removal of Posts by certain immature persons, of little knowledge, who persistently give incorrect advice to persons seeking genuine help with TMPGEnc. The end result of which is utter confusion for the user.

Please appoint at least one Moderator who can sort out the men from the boys, and hopefully prevent this BBS from becoming a World-wide Web of doom.

Hope you don't mean me Willyiam.

ASHY

As a supplier of good sound advice, yes.
As a Moderator, yes.

hope u don't mean me either, I am only doing me job.

Techno

If the cap fits......

what are u trying to say, u r better than me? or something, not that I am saying I am?

Your reply proves the need for Moderator's.

Dont tease him too much ... his ego might explode and Edinburgh is a too fine City to waste :-D
Another option is to mail improper behavior to the approviate people ... i've done that when someone(guess)was offering help to crack TMPGenc here. The threads were removed. Some people would be astonished how much traces of themselves they leave...how about mailing the Principal of his school?

excuse me, I don't waste my time here like u do. I HELP PEOPLE, seems like u don't, so grow up before I REALLY get a moderator on u

Techno does a good job at helping people out. perhaps instead of a moderator, you could request that the tmpgenc staff help people out. Without people like techno, many questions might not ever be answered...

hey william guess what there are moderators,just try swearing or something like offering advice on crack codes,and you will get a very nasty e-mail from them..
and for advice ,it is easy to critisize others when you are sitting on the side lines picking yer nose and NOT offering any help at all...so go back to your crib and whine to those who care...Ashy & Techno offer some of the best and competent advice in this forum.......

Thanks sherlock, I really appreciate ur support and same with riz... I am sure ashy appreciated it to! THANKS!!!!!!!!!

Techno

I have found the support from Techno to be very relevant...The problem is that when you purchase the plus version you really can get no help other than on this BBS...and that is erratic at best..This is a good product but it seems to have a flaw that almost every other post on here speaks about...Losing video...That being said if there were moderators here they would pick up on that thread and themn maybe someone would address it for the masses...I cannot tell you how many hours I have wasted trying to get this program to work only to leave frustrated and give up until someone responds to my plea for help...and that person is usually Techno...So for that Thank you Techno.

>hey william guess what there are moderators,just try swearing or something like offering advice on crack codes,and you will get a very nasty e-mail from them..

Well well. Guess who arranged for such an e-mail to be sent to you! That's right my friend, ME!

Ashy is a young man who knows what he is talking about. More users should take his advice rather than a quick fix as offered by some.

well that prooves it you are an as*h*le.....

Call me names if it makes you feel better, but remember this. By offering ŤracksEyou stop the supply of funds that are needed for the
future development of TMPGEnc.

you obviously weren"t the one,cuz I didn"t offer a crack for "tmpgenc" I don"t know one..but what I did offer I got from THIS bbs...so don"t say you are what you aren"t..and this site isn"t for critism it is for poeple get get help for problems,so lets call a truce and do what this site is for....ok...

Thanks people for ur support for me, I greatly appreciate it.

This forum is for support for using TMPGENC, not for insults so why don't u people grow up and act like ur age, not ur shoe size.

GROW UP, u act like immature brats.

>Ashy is a young man who knows what he is talking about. More users should take his advice rather than a quick fix as offered by some.

Exactly right. I'm tired of some peoples attitude to not discuss things they claim and take every reply after their own as an personal insult.

There is a vast army of TMPGEnc users who have no difficulty whatsoever in achieving good results from this fine programme without any problems at all.

I would point new or unsure users to http://www.vcdhelp.com where they can read the basics of virtually any video format.
Armed with this knowledge they should be able to avoid most of the pitfalls they encounter.

Try one of the many simple guides. Sefy Levi has written several good guides for the beginner to the more advanced.

Before you ask a question search the pages of this BBS for an answer.
Most questions are duplicated several times. And do read the FAQ page.

Look for a detailed response to your question as this tends to indicate a knowledgeable person has replied. Such as Ashy.

DonÃÕ expect TMPGEnc to do something it was not designed for.
Input the wrong format and it will complain.

Do make a test encode of about one minute. Burn it to an erasable disc and view it on your TV via your DVD player. Ignore the quality you see on your PC Monitor because itÃÔ not the same as you get from a TV. The technically minded will know exactly what I mean by this statement.

Good luck to you all.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE MATTER ... BUT I THINK THIS LAST OF WILLYIAM IS A WISE STATE OF MIND FOR WHO IS GETTING CLOSER TO ENCODING IN GENERAL .
AND VCDHELP IS A REALLY WELL ORGANIZED SITE ACROSS THE UNIVERSE OF VIDEO PROBLEMS.
IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT EVERYBODY ENGAGED IN THE DISCUSSION GOT A PROGRESSIVE (NON-INTERLACED) MISUNDERSTANDIG ??

marco - italy

Thanks for that Willyiam.

ASHY

Credit given where credit is due, my friend.

Publication of the long awaited Users Manual later this month will
hopefully discourage certain people from offering incorrect advice to
inexperienced users seeking help.

Until such times as the Manual is published, please continue to
correct the stupidity of certain individuals.

hi there ashy have been looking thru forums on articles re cinemascope aspect ratio and found your solution

i have a question having tried to do this it would appear that all i am doing is cropping the image

for example i have a demo trtailer i am working with for speed of testing which is 640x288 so have entered that under mpeg in aspectratio and clicked calculate giving me figures of 640 x 266

so in tmpgenc wizard have selected pal source and selected file with ar 1:1
gone to clip frame and arrange selected center (custom) and enetered fig of 640 at whcih point i notice it has cropped the picture

surely this is not what we want

what please am i doing wrong

Newbie questions here - Is there anykind of a tutorial or instruction manual that I can access that can run me through an explanation of how to use TMPGenc? I've actually used the software once to convert an AVI file to MPEG2 to create a dvd readable on ordinary commercial DVD playere. It worked, but I have to admit I was just lucky. I didn't change any of the default settings but there appear to be a lot of things that can be tweeked. I'm looking to finalize a DVD project that I hope to be able to give out to 30 sets of parents and want it to be the best quality I can make it (its our 8th grade multimedia slide show combining several different AVI files of varying lengths of b/w 6 - 35 minutes). Thanks in advance

http://www.pegasys-inc.com/e_faq.html

I have a high quality widescreen dixv file that I would like to encode as mpeg2 to make an SVCD but the file is encoded at 640x352 @ 23.976fps and every resolution I have tried has "cut-off" the widescreen. Anybody know what resolution would be best for this situation and hopefully let me keep the widescreen, thanks in advance for any help

try 640*480 and 16:9 aspect ratio.

Techno

If you want to watch (S)VCD on your standard TV and want to keep the aspect ratio with the upper and lower black band, here's the solution:

In "Settings" - "Advanced" Tab - "Video arrange Method:", choose Full screen (keep aspect ratio)

I am having some trouble with the aspect ratio in TMPGenc. I am attempting to make backups of some of the dvds that I have, but they are in wierd aspect ratios (1.85:1 or 2.35:1). TMPGenc only seems to have options for fullscreen and 16:9 widescreen. Is there any way around this, as the encoded videos are squished together when I use the widescreen setting?

Thanks allot.
Joe

TMPGENC is not a good idea to "backup" DVD's

Techno

What do you mean weird 1.85:1 is 16:9 widescreen. 2.35:1 is cinemascope and TMPGenc doesn't directly support this aspect ratio, but there is a setting to compensate for this so you can set your own aspect ratio.
Download this little proggy first.
http://www.chizzil.com/downloads/aspectratio.zip

In TMPG choose your source aspect ratio as 1:1 (VGA)then tick the box which says 'clip frame' then double click it.
Click arrange setting and find a suitable point in your movie to work with.
Under arrange method click the drop down menu and choose 'Center (custom size)'

If you are creating a VCD then the box on the left should be 352 (width)then using the aspect ratio calculator calculate the size of height.
For example with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 this would be a height of 144.
Once your happy with the size click OK and encode as normal.
While your at it it would be a good idea to clip out the black borders as this will decrease the file size.
Hope it helps.

ASHY

nice 1 ash

Techno

thanks a lot for the advice, I had many problems with the aspest ratio but now all is well.


T.H.

Hallo, ich wollte eine Super VCD Film in Video CD Format umwandeln das klappt aber nit so, die Film Spur macht er aber bei der Ton Spur sagt er can not open... usw. !!! Ich habe das Tsunami-Filter Pack drauf und alles andere klappt auch nur gibt es da nicht eine einfache L Ôung ??? Bitte helft mir !!!
Habe Version 2.53

MfG Ranger

I know TMPGenc got the progress bar and such, but it would be nice to show the frame/sec encoding rate, so we have an idea of the speed it is encoding. It would also be a good benchmark for various system settings.

Thank you.

Jay

I am using the latest 2.53 to encode a MPEG-2 720x480 VBR into SVCD format using the ntsc svcd profile settings. The result is than burn in Nero and playback on a Sumsung DVD/SVCD player. The video jerk, hold, and mess-up.

I take a look at the bit rate analysis and found that for most part, my bit rate was under the 2.52mbs as the SVCD profile in TMPEGenc, but occationally, the bit rate will go as high as 9mbs, and every few seconds, a 3mbs or higher will pop-up, which cause the jerk and mess-up of the video on the TV.

I have tried several settings for 8 hours, and found that the work around is to modify the ntsc profile to CQ_VBR with maximum to 2400mbs and minimum to around 1000mbs. Now the video in the SVCD player play smooth. From bit rate analysis, it still show occational bit rate higher than 2.6mbs (svcd maximum allowed bit rate) but the rate does not go over 4mbs and only occationally, so jerking and mess-up may occur, but only slightly and one wont notice it if not paying attention too closely.

Is it possible to make TMPEGenc to encode CBR in a stricter manner by not going over too much?

Is it possible to make TMPEGenc to encode CQ_VBR and VBR so the bit rate will stay within the max and min bit rate?

Thank you.


Tou

You say it peaks at at 9mb/s. This seems strange as at most at CBR there should only be a 500 kbs variance and even though this peak is higher your DVD player should handle it.
Your jerking and if I'm correct your blocky display problems are more probably due to the disks you use and the way you are burning.
Never burn above a speed of 4x or this WILL give severe playback problems in most if not all DVD players and even then burning slower will give better playback.
If you burn at high speed then as you have noticed when there are high bitrate spikes your player is having trouble reading it.
This is due to the fact that your player is having trouble reading this information as it needs to be supplied quickly by the disk, but due to errors being introduced by high encoding speeds the information isn't correctly being read from the disk. This doesn't matter as much with lower bitrates as the information is written and read slower from the disk thus producing less errors.
This doesn't seem to happen with Windows software decoders probably because software decoders don't have the limitations of hardware decoders.
If it plays back ok in a software player on windows then it is probably not your MPEG, reduce the speed of your burn and try again.

ASHY

Thanks for the suggestion to lower the burning speed fo the cd-rw drive. I will give it a try.

As for the 500kbs variance, I am not sure if it's true, because I do have 9mbs, 7mbs, 5mbs, 4mbs, and lots of 3mbs on the bit rate analysis of SVCD result.

Jay

What program do you use for examining the bitrate?

ASHY

Thanks for the suggestion to lower the burning speed fo the cd-rw drive. I will give it a try.

As for the 500kbs variance, I am not sure if it's true, because I do have 9mbs, 7mbs, 5mbs, 4mbs, and lots of 3mbs on the bit rate analysis of SVCD result.

Jay

For quick information, I check with PowerDVD when turning the information "ON" so I can see the bitrate and the video scene at the same time. I also use "bitrateview" program for full analysis.

Thank you.

Jay

Hello All,

I'm attempting to make a DVD compatible MPEG2 file using TMPEG and the new 2-pass VBR mode. Every time I do this, the process stops between 60% and 70%. It does this EVERY TIME. I've tried the old 2-pass method and it does the same thing. I've used the wizard dialogs, set the parameters manually and even carved the files up into smaller pieces. The *only* way I can get it to render an entire file is to not use any 2-pass method. MVBR, CBR and all the rest work flawlessly. My source file is encoded in MJPEG and is exceptionally clean but, I'd really like to use a 2-pass method so I can up the bit rate without increasing the file size that much. Does anyone have any information they'd care to share about this?

My System:
ABIT VP-6 Dual P3 1gHz (not OC'd)
1gb PC-133 SDRAM
NVidia GF2-MX400 w/TV tuner (primary)
Voodoo3 2000 (secondary)
Intel NIC
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card
2 60gb WD HDs in RAID-0 (for video only)
2 15gb WD HDs (for system and apps)
HP DVD100i DVD+RW
Panasonic LF-D311 DVD-R-RAM

well, TMPGENC might think the frame might be corrupted. What is the search motion precision u r using?

Techno

Hey Techno,

I thought of that and used VirtualDub to integrity check the file. It passed with no errors. The fact that I can also use a single-pass VBR encode and have it work sort of negates that problem as well. I've even encoded using a 2-pass Real Media process and had it work. Real Producer is very finicky about what it will accept and it ate my MJPEG file with no problem. I even tried frame serving with VirtualDub and AVISynth to no avail ( after 20 hours of wasted time =( ).

Does TMPEG have any issues with the size of a file? The file I'm currently working with is just over 15gb with video only. The audio track is separate and I don't try to mux it in during the encode. I have about 75gb free on my drives and the temp file produced during the first pass never goes beyond a few hundred meg.

I'm stumped about this. I'm about to conclude it is a driver or hardware issue but that would suck big time because I'll never find it. Could the SMP enhancements be screwing things up? I have no idea what processes TMPEG multithreads. I thought at first is was a deadlocking thread issue but I have no evidence to support that.

I forgot to mention that I'm using Win2K-Pro as my OS last time.

-Sebastian

*stumbled, confussed and rushed to hospital*

Techno

Have you tried to create an encoding log file and then examined this at the point where it stops.
It may give some clue.
Have you actually tried disabling the multiprocessor enhancements and heres a long shot, but is there enough space where your TMPG Temp directory is located?

ASHY

Hey Ashy,

I've got space out the waazoo. I think 75gig is enough but one never knows =)...

I've tried disabling the SMP enhancements. It takes longer to fail at that point (10 hours as opposed to only 6). I've run a test with *everything* turned off (multi-threading, MMX, MMX-2, SSE) and it ran for 5 hours (with 27 to go) and I just bagged the session. 30+ hours of encoding is too long for less than 2 hours of video on a dual P3.

Now that log file idea is a good one. I've always turned that off in favor of the extra processor cycles. The only question I have about that is will the log file get written if the job halts? And I mean HALTS! I have to use Task Manager to kill the process. Sometimes I have to hard boot to get it to terminate.

Hummm... Could I have a bad SDRAM chip? Everything else works pretty well most of the time (hey, it's Win2Krap) but not many things work the CPU and memory like MPEG-2 encoding. I've got a spare or two lying about I could pop in.

Thanx for the info,
Sebastian

Hmm.

What is your input video then ? Try converting it to another format and then encode it. Maby the format you are using is not 100% compatible with Tmpgenc ?

Or you could even try this, seperate the sound file (wav) from the video file, then encode the to parts to one file. That works for me sometimes when you have sync problems and strange video problems.

Regards Dennis

why don't u capture using:

NO RECOMPRESSION
320*240
25/30fps
YU12
cd quality audio?

this is the best setting, and u will not lose quality when resizing to a different res, guarenteed.

Techno

what part of TMPGEnc do you set these paramaters in?

Use Virtual DuB for Capture and select the specified parameters

Hello

I have established that TMPGEnc is supposed to be the best, so all I want to know is how does its PAL vcd template quality compare to real vcds you buy? Also I would like to know how I can increase the quality from the template without going into svcd.
Thanks

to increase the quality:

load in the template, then load the unlock template, in the settings, where it says vbv buffer, increase it to 224.

I cannot really figure out how TMPGENC is better quality than others, it just is! Thank the author! :)

Techno

Techno what do you mean increase the buffer size to 224? To create correct Mpeg1 VCD data the buffer has to be set at 40KB. This is the buffer size the decoder uses and should be set at 40.
You won't get an increase in quality with that setting but you may get playback problems on your hardware player if use it.
To increase the quality just up the bitrate. A 2hr movie can roughly fit on two 80min cd's at a bitrate of 1600 kbits/s and if you lower the audio bitrate you can up the Video bitrate even more.

ASHY

oh yes u will :)

Techno

it will increase the quality and keep the same(ish) file size without any probs on hardware decoder, I done it myself!

Techno

Look Techno I'm not being funny, but there is loads of documentation on buffer sizes and I suggest you go and read it. The same doesn't apply to Windows software decoders because the VBV buffer is irrelevant.
The buffer size needs to be set accordingly with gop sizes and bitrates and the particular decoder being used. At bitrates up to around 1800 kbps a buffer of 40 kbps should be enough, but above that the buffer should be increased.
So for VCD 40kbps is the optimal setting.
I doubt it has any bearing on quality as it's only used to set the buffer size of the hardware decoder so that it can display the clip correctly. If this buffer is set higher than the physical limit of the hardware decdoder the movie won't be displayed correctly if at all.
Most DVD players will be able to handle this higher buffer size, but some other hardware equipment which can only play MPEG1 such as Dreamcast or Cdi may not.
Why the hell do you think Mr Hori has set this as the standard in TMPGenc for Mpeg1 VCD. Don't you think if there was better he would have put this as the standard in TMPGenc.

It's fine tweaking things, but at least find out what it does before you do it.

ASHY

would u like proof ashy?

hi

I just wanted to ask wether the mpegs created are the same quality as vcds you buy.
If not what do I need to do?
Thanks
Paul

TMPGENC prodeces BETTER VCD quality then the ones u buy, make sure the source is good first!

Techno