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I am trying to refine my dvd rip - mpeg process. (clips for the internet)
I am confused about the following:
The ripped DVD 'd2v file' has a framerate of 25fps when opened in TMPGEnc but in DVD2AVI it says its 29.97fps, Is the actual vob file 29.97fps or 25fps? If I encode 29.97fps in TMPGEnc, will it cause audio/video desyncronization? ( I prefer 29.97fps for web media)
I have a mother load of interlacing artifact "lines" when ripping from smart ripper an encoding with TMPEGEnc.
I tried to convert the d2v file with DVD2AVI into a MPEG-4 Fast Motion DivX clip and then use the Virtual Dub Deinterlace filters http://home.bip.net/gunnart/video/ (Area based v1.4filter / smooth v1.1 filter -this doubles the framerate) but the results are not much different than TMPGEnc's filter.
I have decided to just open the d2v file in TMPGEnc and use its filter.
The 'deinterlace' filter's features are confusing me, I found the following filters to have the best/similar results. But I don't know which is the overall best
Even field
Even field (adaptation)
Odd field
Odd field (adaptation)
(All of them cause a little black bar at the top left edge of the picture but guess clipping can solve that)
Please recommend or explain the use of these filters because I cannot find an explanation on the internet.
You probably wont need to use any de-interlacing filters.
If the disk is region 1 then it is most likely 29.97 fps, but I have had a situation where smartripper will create a 25 fps d2v so use DVD2AVI to create the d2v.
If it's region 2 it will be 25 fps. With Region2 the format is PAL. You shouldn't really get any interlacing artifacts with PAL.
If this is a region 1 DVD then use the FORCEDFilm option in DVD2AVI to return the movie back to a 23.976 fps progressive movie.
This is far better than having an interlaced 25 or 29.97 fps movie as it will save you all the problems of interlacing artifacts.
Also why the heck would you prefer 29.97 fps for web media?
This will only serve to make the files larger and would be pointless if it can be returned to a 23.976 fps progressive clip.
I checked the 'Stream Processing' tab in SmartRipper and it said 'Video NTSC 720x480', so I assume it is 29.97fps because that framerate is for NTSC (Pal is 25fps)
I went ahead an did as you suggested (use the FORCEDFilm option in DVD2AVI to return the movie back to a 23.976 fps progressive movie)
I then opened the created d2v file in TMPGEnc and the Video tab/Advanced Tab all stated that it was 23.976fps/progressive but looking at the movie, it still had the 'interlace artifacts'.
I opted for 29.97fps because it looked smoother than 25fps(made a bad comparsion of MPEG-4 fastmotion divX avi and 25fps MPEG) so I could be way off. And also, most of the clips on the internet are 29.97fps. Still, I am farily new to video editing so I will consider what you have said.
Regarding the filters, I don't have any such manual as referance. Is the 'manual' you're referring to the one accompanying the interview with TMPGEnc creator?
Ok, if you have used the FORCEDFilm option in DVD2AVI and you still see interlacing artifacts then it is likely that the Film is not stored as progressive frames on the DVD.
The way to tell is to click 'preview' in DVD2AVI. In the statistics window it should tell you whether the 'Video type' is 'Film' and if the 'Frame type' is 'progressive'.
If not then you can't use the 'ForcedFilm' option. You will just have to use the de-interlace option in TMPG.
Either 'Even' or 'Odd' should give the best results. I'd prefer to use 'Even', but either will do.
As for the smoothness of play between 25 and 29.97fps. It highly unlikely that you would see a difference here. Almost all footage originates at 24 fps and is converted to either 25 fps or 29.97 fps. This means that even if the frame rate was converted to 50 fps, you would still be actually watching a 24 fps movie.
Regarding most of the clips on the net being 29.97 fps, this is just a co-incidence and has no relevence or reason to be. It's just that a lot of these clips are posted on websites in countries that use the NTSC system, mainly the US.
The frame rate of any clip should be the same as the source wherever possible as conversion causes motion artifacts.
Original 25 fps clips will play just as smoothly as 29.97 fps ones, as a matter of fact 25 fps is closer the the original frame rate of 24 fps than 29.97 fps.
The manual can be found in the Plus version of TMPG.
>The way to tell is to click 'preview' in DVD2AVI. In the statistics window it should tell you whether the 'Video type' is 'Film' and if the 'Frame type' is 'progressive'.
I see what you mean. Video type was (NTSC), Frame type (Interlaced).
I'll also keep in mind that the frame rate of any clip should be the same as the source wherever possible.
After reading your reply to "Bug report - Fuzz & Lines Inserted Into Movie" I was curious about (CQ)
From my 'mountain bike' rip, I have encode two 1min clips with these settings
Video Tab:
Size 352x240
Aspect ration: 1:1(VGA)
Framerate 29.97fps
Rate control mode: SEE BELOW
Motion Search Precision: normal
AdvancedTab:
Video source type: Interlace
Field order: Bottom field first (field B)
Source aspect ratio: 4:3 525 line (NTSC 704x480)
Video arrange Method: Full Screen
filter: Even Field (Adaption)
The only difference between the 2 clips is the 'Rate control mode'.
Made 1 clip using Constant Bit Rate (CBR) 5,967kbs - block noise occurs which defeats the purpose of my 'rip'
Made 1 clip using Constant Quality (CQ) 6,243 kbs - had much less block noise that is not noticble, looked great.
I've read here : http://www.dvdrhelp.com/tmpgencexplained.htm about the Rate control mode(s) but the CQ is vague. I am worried about using 'constant quality' for web media as I have been using CBR only for web clips. I don't see any problems, should I be concerned about using CQ?
Not really why should there be any concerns.
CQ is simply a VBR encoding method. As you have noticed higher quality can be obtained with smaller file size. This obviously makes sense for web publishing.
CQ is the method both TMPG and CCE use for DVD.
By the way if you are ripping DVD your source aspect ratio should be 4:3 display for 4:3 MPEG2 sources or 16:9 display for 16:9 MPEG2 sources.
Most DVD is 720x480 or 720x576 not 704x480. TMPG chooses the wrong ratio.
Great, so CQ and High Quality Slow will work out nicely.
I get the same quality mpeg-1 with 'CQ', 'High Quality Slow' and 112kbs audio at 6 mbs.
As opposed to mpeg-1 with 'CBR'-1000kbs, 'High Quality Slow', 96kbs audio at 8mbs
Although I am not making mpeg-2, (I use only mpeg-1 for the internet so no user will have codec problems) I will note the 4:3 display and 16:9 display for the Mpeg2 sources.
(I changed the Source aspect ratio from 4:3 525 line (NTSC 704x480) in my mpeg-1 to 4:3 and it looks the same)
I am trying to encode "Lord Of The Rings" special edition but tmpg inserts lines & fuzz into the picture. I am encoding the dvd as it is not altering the resolution & not clipping either with both source & output set at 16:9. At the begining of disc 1 when the words come up my encode shows purpleish lines accros the right side of the screen & when the name lord of the rings is shown the screen is filled with fuzz, i get the same results on disc 2 as well. I am using 2 pass VBR.
I have since tried encoding that part at the begining of lord of the rings at different resolutions divisable by 32 & by 16 but still the problem occurs.
Please ensure you have the facts before reporting faults as a bug. If it was a bug everybody would have the same problem and they don't!
You need to give us more info if you want help.
1. How have you ripped the VOBS to the drive?
2. What format are the VOBs in?
3. What are you using to decode the VOBs?
4. Are you encoding to SVCD or VCD?
5. What format is your TV?
I have ripped the DVD using smartripper in backup mode, the source vobs are mpeg2 all i am trying to do is encode the film so it will fit on a single layered dvd-r, i use a dvd2avi project file to frameserve to tmpg using the unlock template:
The Purple Lines and Discoloration can be caused By a Couple Things usually by Hacked Codecs on your Computer Namely the "Angel Potion Codec", If you have this Codec on your Computer then it Could be causeing the Purple Discoloration, so look for it and Delete the Codec..
Firstly you are ripping with Smartripper in the wrong mode. You DO NOT want to use back up mode as you are ripping unecessary streams.
Use 'Movie' mode and leave all settings at default.
Also even though unrelated, I feel it is pointless using 2pass for DVD (actually 2pass is usually unecessary for any output format as CQ does a better job)
You would be better off using the CQ method of encoding as the results will be quicker and usually better.
It is pointless using a 2pass method when using high bitrates such as DVD encoding as you won't see a benefit. 2 pass only really makes a difference with low bitrate movies.
When encoding for DVD there is more than enough bitrate provided for each frame, so using 2 pass to try and allocate the bitrate as judiciously as possible is a waste of time.
Trust me, just ask anyone with any encoding knowledge on any encoding board and you will get the same answer, (CQ) is the way to go.
What do you see when using the Preview (File>Preview) before encoding?
Do you see the same effect or is it only after encoding the effect is apparant?
Try unchecking all the filters except the 'DVD2AVI project reader' in the VFAPI plugins and see if the effect remains.
As minion says the effect could be related to rogue codecs so doing the above should help if it is.
I am ripping in backup mode because i use ifoedit to remux the m2v file so i can fit the film with the menus intact on a single layer dvd-r, this process works ok but i cannot understand what is causing this problem. I use 2 pass vbr because i am encoding at an average bitrate of 4200 leaving the maximum bitrate at 8000, if i use anything else i get blockyness in the film, time is not an issue for me as long as the quality is there. I see this both in the preview window & on the finished encode. I unchecked all the boxes except the dvd2avi project reader & raised the priority to 2 but it made no difference. I tried unchecking the boxes again except the ligos mpeg2 decoder & raised the prioity on that, this seemed to have cured the problem i dont get the purple lines anymore but i still get a screen full of fuzz when the "LORD OF THE RINGS" logo appears also this way has tripled my encode time.
Maybe You should look into a Program called "DVD2One" it will copy your DVD to your DVD-R in about 30 minutes and keep all the menus and chapters intact and fit it all on a single DVD-R with Good Quality....
>I tried unchecking the boxes again except the ligos mpeg2 decoder & raised the prioity on that, this seemed to have cured the problem i dont get the purple lines anymore but i still get a screen full of fuzz when the "LORD OF THE RINGS" logo appears also this way has tripled my encode time.
Right you've got me confused now. Are you importing a d2v or an m2v file into TMPEG?
If it's a d2v then this wouldn't be able to be opened by the Ligos decoder, so I assume you are importing an m2v.
Does this m2v file actually play ok? Why don't you just open the VOBs directly with DVD2AVI and frameserve.
If i open the vobs directly with dvd2avi, create a d2v file and frameserve from dvd2avi i get the purpley lines on the right hand side of the screen & the fuzz when the film logo comes up.
If i open the vobs (with sequence files ticked) or extract the video as an m2v file & load that into tmpg with ligos mpeg2 decoder the purple lines disappear but the fuzz on the logo still remains.
The m2v file plays ok with no lines or fuzz on it. I cant understand why this is happening.
So this must be related to TMPG and is probably because of rogue codecs or maybe a dodgy TMPG install.
Try removing TMPG completly and do a re-install. If that doesn't cure it remove any codec packs you have installed and as many codecs as possible and re-install only the basic ones you need and try again, but I would guess you will still have the same problem. The only true way to completly remove traces of rogue codecs is a clean install.
I never install any codec packs on my system, they only cause more problems than they are worth. Do yourself a favor and only install what you need.
Also remove any other authoring or encoding programs, especially Ulead products which always seem to conflict with TMPG.
I tried removing tmpg, placing a fresh install in its place but still had the same problem, i installed a second operating system (win xp pro) and basically theres nothing on it (accept dvd2avi 1.77.3 & tmpg) but still the problem persisted. I am so frustrated at this as it only happens on a couple of films the majority of films i have encoded have been without any troubles at all (thats on both systems).
Let me ask a question.
Is this DVD a Region 1 or Region 2 disk?
I have encoded Lord of the Rings recently and had no problem at all.
The DVD was a Region 2 disk and I encoded it to MPEG 2 PAL format. I didn't encounter any of your problems.
My system is basically the same as yours using WinXP pro, Smartripper to rip, DVD2AVI 1.76 to frameserve (not 1.77.3 as this version is incompatible with smartripper d2v's) and TMPG to encode.
It would be helpful if you could post some image grabs of the problem you are having somwhere.
When I try to encode an avi-file or re-encode a mpeg2-file in tmpeg, the program stops encoding after a while.I normally encode in 2passVBR. The time keeps running but the movie preview goes black.I have this same problem with different versions of Tmpeg (2.57-2.59).This problem started when I bought a new PC. On my AMD 1Ghz tmpeg worked fine,but now I have a pentiumIV 2.533Ghz with a Asus P4PE motherboard and tmpeg stops at random. I have got windowsXP running. Does anyone know this problem?
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I used Virtualdub to extract the audio on a large XviD movie file. I was able to encode the first portion properly. Looks and sounds great. When I go and try to encode the remaining portion of the movie I get the following message.
"AT ADDRESS 000004B8, READ ERROR OCCURED AGAINST ADDRESS 000004B8" It loads up and looks like it will encode, goes for a couple seconds, then the error. What do I do to encode the remainder??? Please help!!!!!!!
My computer completely shuts down while trying to encode an avi to m2v and wav files. I have three sticks of ram, and tried each one separately and I still have the same problem with each stick of ram. I'm using Tmpgenc 2.510. PC specs:
Asus A7N8X MB
Athlon xp 2100+
1G PC 2100 DDR Ram (1x512 2x256)
Auidigy 2 Platinum
ATI AIW 8500DV
WD 60G HD Primary Master
WD 200G HD Primary Slave
DVD Rom drive Seconday Master
Sony DVD+/- R/RW Drive Secondary Slave
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The file is an avi I captured using virtual dub and huffyuv. I've done many of these types of files before although this is the first time I've tried to do this on my new motherboard.
I upgraded my bios and only use one stick 512m of memory.
I had ddr333 pc2700 and could not use all three sticks.
It would crash or give an error dump , worked fine on my old motherboard.
It seems like some of the newer motherboards are picky on the memory
brand and combinations and if the memory is unregistered above 256m.
I converted a divx avi file to SVCD. The actual runtime is 1:09:27, but TMPGEnc report 190min00sec. Even so, the encoding progress goes on normal.
The same problem encounted in version 2.59.47.155 and 2.510.157.
I am a newbie to this, but heard it was a fantastic program. I have two AVI files that I am trying to make into a (S)VCD. When I load the first file (First half of movie), it says it is not supported, but the second part (second half of movie) works just fine. Is there something that I can try to see why it's not going to work?
Hi there, I converted an AVI file to mpeg1 so I can make a vcd. I used TMPGEnc 2.5 .I burn the vcd using vcdeasy 1.1.4 and it looks fine in my computer. When I try to play trhe vcd on my DVD player which supports VCD/SVCD/CDR-RW/MP3 the video stops and the audio goes on and sometimes it skips and goes on to the next frame. Can anyone tell me why?
Thanks
Do you Mean that the Video stops or slows down then speeds up again a second later and Catches up with the Audio???? If this is so then the Problem probably has to do with Bitrate spikes or the Bitrate being to High, If you are Useing VBR then try seeing if CBR helps or Lowering the Bitrate..And Make sure you Didn"t encode the AVI to a Plain Mpeg 1 file, The File has to Be encoded to a Mpeg1/VCD file which is Different than a Plain Mpeg1 file...
I am wondering if there's a formula I can use to predict my SVCD output size when using the Inverse Telecine option. The wizard works great for output size when the constant bitrate is 1600Kbps or over. But when I have to use a lower bitrate I don't know how big the output filesize is going to be.
You either need a good bitrate calculator or you can load the the SVCD template from the main window then load the 'Unlock.mcf' template.
Next save the template in the template folder.
When you run the wizard again you should see this template and you should be able to adjust the bitrate to whatever you wish.