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First off, this is for MPEG2 (not mpeg1). Cannot create a high qualioty SVCD in Mpeg2 format compatible for DVD...
Long story, with all the details so you can help me out:
I capture video clips thru the Studio DV (1998-2000 version 1.2.6.0). I captured a 1-minute video clip in AVI format. Ok, done.
Now I use the "make movie" in Studio DV to create an Mpeg2 SCVD format of video 480x480 2400kb/sec, sound 44.1khz 224kb/sec.
So far so good.
Then use TMPGEnc software to create a DVD compatible file.
[Here is the trouble...]
What are the settings to create a SVCD from an Mpeg-2?
I tried the faking out Mpeg-1 VCD heder file like this: http://www.vcdeasy.org/modules.php?name=_Guides&id=VcdTrick
>By changing the "Header" of a SVCD MPEG-2 video file into the one
>of a "VCD2.0 MPEG-1 non standard" file and by using it as
>standard VCD2.0 file, you may be able to play MPEG-2 files with
>your home DVD player. (Note: MPEG2 has a much better video quality
>than MPEG1...).
Here is MY attempt: http://www.dariusrudis.com/dvd/dvderror1.jpg
NOTICE THE VIDEO SETTINGS! Mine are 480x480 29.97fps 2400kbps
Their example is much different with 480x576 25fps 2520kbps
WHAT DO I DO TO MATCH THAT SETTING? (IN STUDIO DV?)
Then I move on to TMPGEnc and keep getting a "5982 s packets cause buffer undcerflow. The Mpeg file might cause error when it played" error.
This is every time I try. Then it wont be compatible for creating the
SCVD 2.0 as it flags all these errors as invalid formats: http://www.dariusrudis.com/dvd/dvderror2.jpg
Ok, thats enough detail. Help me figure this out. I've spent 20 hours researching and trying and burning CD-R's, and I _NEEED_ the SVCD quality to capture all our home movies to archive them to CD forever. Thanks for listening!
480+480 29.97fps is the NTSC SVCD Standard, 480+576 25fps is the Pal SVCD Standard...From here on In you Post is Totally Confuseing..If you are Creating the AVI file in Studio DV and encodeing it to SVCD in Studio DV then why are you Encodeing it Again In Tmpgenc??? OK...I Get it, Your a Bit confused....What you want to do is Use Tmpgenc To Change the Header to Fool your DVD Player...OK...You have done everything wrong here if you want any sort of Quality..What you should be doing is Captureing to DV/AVI in Studio DV and expert the File from Studio DV as a DV-AVI File not a Mpeg2 file, Cuz the Pinnacle Mpeg2 encodeing Sucks..Take the DV-AVI file and Load it into Tmpgenc and encode it to SVCD, you Choose either the NTSC Template(480+480) if you live in North America, and the Pal Template(480+576) if you live in Europe, and encode it..Now when the Encodeing is Done it is Time to Change the Header, go to the "Mpeg Tools" to "Merge & Cut" NOT MULTIPLEX, load the SVCD File into the "Merge & Cut" choose the "Video-CD NON-Standard" setting and choose an out put name and Click "RUN"..Now it will Put a VCD Header on the File without Giveing you the "Buffer Underflow" Error...Now Burn it to Disk as a VCD and Hopefully Your Player Will Play it....And whatever you Do Don"t let Studio DV encode to Mpeg2 for you.....Good Luck....
>480+480 29.97fps is the NTSC SVCD Standard, 480+576 25fps is the Pal SVCD Standard...From here on In you Post is Totally Confuseing..If you are Creating the AVI file in Studio DV and encodeing it to SVCD in Studio DV then why are you Encodeing it Again In Tmpgenc??? OK...I Get it, Your a Bit confused....What you want to do is Use Tmpgenc To Change the Header to Fool your DVD Player...OK...You have done everything wrong here if you want any sort of Quality..What you should be doing is Captureing to DV/AVI in Studio DV and expert the File from Studio DV as a DV-AVI File not a Mpeg2 file, Cuz the Pinnacle Mpeg2 encodeing Sucks..Take the DV-AVI file and Load it into Tmpgenc and encode it to SVCD, you Choose either the NTSC Template(480+480) if you live in North America, and the Pal Template(480+576) if you live in Europe, and encode it..Now when the Encodeing is Done it is Time to Change the Header, go to the "Mpeg Tools" to "Merge & Cut" NOT MULTIPLEX, load the SVCD File into the "Merge & Cut" choose the "Video-CD NON-Standard" setting and choose an out put name and Click "RUN"..Now it will Put a VCD Header on the File without Giveing you the "Buffer Underflow" Error...Now Burn it to Disk as a VCD and Hopefully Your Player Will Play it....And whatever you Do Don"t let Studio DV encode to Mpeg2 for you.....Good Luck....
Well, I tried and it didn't work. I have Sony NS315 DVD and I've already found some explanations how to fool the DVD by using the VCD header trick (didn't work).
This explanation is the first one that doesn't give me the underrun error. Unfortunately, when I play the "fooled" MPEG file on my DVD I have the audio, but no video at all (black screen).
I use Ulead video studio to produce avi file (I even tried to convert it to type 2, but no luck).
After that, I encode with TMPGEnc (I am newbie, so I suppose it is the dialog I get after closing the wizard). I select my video source and audio source (the same) and the output file and load SupervideoCD NTSC template. Click on start and that's it.
So far, so good. Then, I go to MPEG Tools... Merge & Cut, press Add to select my SVCD file, select output and change type to MPEG-1 Video-CD (non-standard).
On some other forums guys said that it works, but they used simple multiplex (I always have underrun). Wasn't able to contact them.
Then I use Nero to burn as VCD. And, when playing, the screen is black and audio is ok.
With this explanation, I fell I am not far from the solution, but probably something is missing in my procedure. I wonder what.
I create an MPEG2 file DIRECTLY from Premiere 6 using Avisynth, thus skipping the AVI file creation. Next, I use the "Header Trick" as described (I have used "Simple Multiplex" tab with SuperVCD up to now and gotten an "underun error" message which I have ignored, without any problems developing. I'll try the "Merge & Cut/SVCD non-standard" tab/selection the next time to see what happens.)
So far, your method is identical. However, I use VCDEasy to burn a CD(using VCD 2.0).
The SVCD plays flawlessly on my Sony DVD NS315 player.
First of all DO NOT worry about 'buffer underflow' errors. This will almost always happen when using the VCD header trick. I don't want to go into detail why, but because of the different packet sizes and muxing rates of VCD and SVCD this is simply a warning and WILL NOT affect playback.
Using the Merge & Cut feature produces exactly the same effect except TMPG doesn't report the error, trust me.
Always use 'Non standard VCD' and get rid of that crap software you are using to burn your VCD.
Use either Nero(preferred) or VCD easy.
If non of the above works then try the method below:
Rather than attach a VCD header to your SVCD just leave it as normal.
In Nero choose the SVCD option then under the 'Video CD' tab click the 'compatibility' button and change the 'Video directory' to 'MPEGAV'
Click 'Ok' then 'New'
Load your MPEG2 (make sure your MPEG2 file has an SVCD header or Nero will complain and the file won't play)
Burn as usual.
I did it with Header-trick :)
It was neither my MPEG2 nor TMPGEnc. It was Nero :(
As I used Nero Express, there was no indication that the file was non-standard. So, every time Nero encoded my file once again. The quality was awful.
Then I tried as Ashy wrote.As I could not find the button Compatibility as Ashy indicated, I switched to Nero "classic". SVCD wasn't recognized by my DVD player, so I retried the Header-Trick.
In Nero I selected VCD and unchecked "Use CD-i application" check box. In Windows Media Player the screen was black, but my DVD recognized this fooled SVCD. It is quite good quality, not too much fuzzy, better that ordinary VCD.
Thanks guys cause you gave me very important indications and the rest was my curiosity and playing with Nero.
I doubt it has anything to do with unchecking the "Use CD-i application" check box why your SVCD is now playing.
You were obviously using the wrong method in the first place.
As a note, even though Mediaplayer wont play these files you can play these MPEGs fine with WinDVD.
If it wasn't CD-i Application parameter, then it was "Turn off standard compliance and continue" button that allowed me to burn good "fooled" SVCD, but this button is not visible in nero Express. I also unchecked "Set for US TV Standard". Probably it was the above mentioned button.
In fact, I always used the same (S)VCD files. But I noticed that each time Nero Express encoded before burning. That's was caused veeery baaad quality of my regular VCDs (encoding encoded files :( )and did not allow me to use fooled SVCD. Now, it's OK.
I am 100% newbie in this kind of job. I am IT wizard, but I am dummy in video.
Conclusion: My Sony NS315 works fine even with fooled SVCD, but I didn't know how to burn correctly (never tried VCD or SVCD before).
Bye bye Nero Express, welcome Nero Classic :)
Your assumption is correct. Disabling the compatibility option means Nero will allow you to burn Non standard VCD/SVCD files otherwise the mpegs would be re-encoded by Nero. An SVCD with a VCD header will be seen as an illegal format by Nero and will complain.
As you have noticed ignoring this allows you to burn anyway.
I was using TMPGenc to convert a large AVI file to MPEG-2 however it crashed out with an exception error. Anyoone else has experienced this problem? Is there are any input file size limit?
I am encoding a 641MB avi file to Mpeg. This is not going to fit on a single 700 MB cd-r. Is there a program to split the mpeg file into two files? Or is there a way to do it before you encode the avi file? I am stuck here. Thanks
From what I know, you can split it after you encode the movie by going to the "MPEG Tools" menu in TMPGEnc. Last time I did it, I had some trouble with getting the seconds and minutes..
The original AVI must be very compressed if you are expecting the MPEG file to end up being larger. If this is the case, the MPEG encoding will probably degrade the quality a lot more - perhaps you should just archive the AVI straight onto the CD?
Minion, I tried your suggestion on having a 1596-kbs as the CBR for the first part of my movie but the outpit file was over 800MB! The source file is 682MB I think. So what bitrate should I use?
I've encoded short AVI clip to MPEG-2. When I playback the clip in WinDVD, it goes very fast (fast forward speed) for a couple of seconds, then slows to a crawl (a couple of frames/sec), then back to fast-forward-like speeds. It seems like frames are skipped when it's playing slowly. The overall quality of the video looks great.
Anyways, I seemed to have partially solve this problem. I was encode with the "ES (Video Only)" option before. I figured I'd try "ES (Video + Audio)", and now it works. So, I guess my question now is why can't the MPEG2 without the audio stream playback correctly, and is there any way to view video-only streams?
Is it possible to convert other type video files to mpeg other than avi files to mpeg? I was thinking maybe a wmv file or any other file if possible or is it jus for avi conversion?
I am trying to set a VCD from DivX format, so I can view it on my DVD player. The problem I have is when Iam trying to frameserve from VirtualDub to a TMPGenC. Is this possible and how?
Thanks.
Tadi.
When I export a video from my Creative Labs Digital VCR (hardware MPEG-2 encoder), TMPEG will not load it. It says that the MPEG is invalid. However, if I use DVD2AVI to convert the file to AVI with DivX 4, it will accept it...
Is there a work around this without having to go to DVD2AVI?
OK..What you do is Load the Mpeg2 file into DVD2AVI but Don"t make an AVI File, instead go to "File" to "Save Project" and save a D2V project File, Now load the "D2V" file into Tmpgenc and encode it..This is the Proper way to encode Mpeg2 files with Tmpgenc...DVD2AVI will also Demux the audio from the Mpeg file and you just Mux this audio file with the Encoded mpeg file after the encodeing is Finnished...
I am trying to set a VCD from DivX format, so I can view it on my DVD player. The problem I have is when Iam trying to frameserve from VirtualDub to a TMPGenC. Is this possible and how?
Thanks.
Tadi.
You don"t have to Frameserve it , you should just be able to load the DivX file directly into Tmpgenc, But if for some reason you have to Frame serve you First Have to Install the "Handler"..Run the "AuxSetup.exe" file in the V-Dub folder, then go to "Install Handler"....after the Handler is installed run Virtual Dub load in your File add any filters then go to "File" to "Run Frameserver" and give the Frameserver file a name with a "vdr" extention, then load that into Tmpgenc.....That is Basicly it....
I'm in trouble when converting MPEG II streams to MPEG I from vob files because TMPGEnc only recognize the first half of the file. Is that to say, if the stream is 30 minutes long, TPMGEnc works ok until the 15th minute and the remain 15 minutes are filled with the last frame.
You shouldn't be loading VOBs dirtectly into TMPG. TMPG cannot parse the streams correctly.
You should be using DVD2AVI to create a project file then load that into TMPG.