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Hello,
I'am just starting to make my first SVCD movie with my pinaccle studio program.
After visiting a lot of internet sites I found out that there are many way's to get the best results.
Virual dub and TMPG are mentioned a lot.
So my first question is, what is the way to get good results?
Must I make my avi file non-interlaced an if so must I use use Virual dub or can I use TMPG for that to? (I found a setting to do so but I don't know if its the same)
Also because virual dub doesn't work propper here, after using command; start frame server, and typing the file name, the frameserver mode pop-up just stands their doing nothing.
And second question, are there more things I have to do (know) to get the best SVCD?
First test creating SVCD (directly) with pinnacle studio 7 without tmpg seems ok but there is some compression and some "interlaced" and buring the studio 7 AVI file with Nero 5 (with MPG2 codec) can also be better I think.
What do you mean "Must I make my avi file non-interlaced an if so must I use use Virtual dub or can I use TMPG for that to? (I found a setting to do so but I don't know if its the same)"
Do you mean de-interlace the AVI when encoding? If so you would use the TMPG de-interlace filter to do this not Virtualdub.
You should always capture to progressives frames and not interlaced, this will save you a lot of messing around having to de-interlace and things when you come to re-encode to MPEG.
MPEG1 Movies are always encoded to progressive frames. When you encode to MPEG2 the output should be interlaced.
The other thing you mentioned about the frameserver just standing there. Have you actually loaded the file it creates into TMPG?
Also don't use Nero for encoding, it looks crap. Stick with TMPG, your results will be far better.
Yes you;re right yesterday (after sending my own message) I made a MPEG2 file from a captured AVI file (pinnacle studio).
I have used settings input file interlaced output interlaced. And filter deinterlaced. (something like double even)
I burned the MPEG2 file into a nero svcd "template" the end result was realy good.
Only one thing was seen at the end.
It ends with a dark scene and on the bottom was a green line witch doesn't belong there. How can I remove this.
<You should always capture to progressives frames and not interlaced>
I don't know what pinnacle studio captures as default but it seems to be progessive frame's. Maybe you can tel me how I can see this.
It depends on the codec you used. I think most AVI codecs capture to progressive frames as default, but the DIVX 5 codec allows you to capture to either progressive or interlaced and can also perform it's own de-interlacing which is pretty good by the way.
Anyway you would know if it was interlaced or not because if it wasn't you wouldn't get the interlacing artifacts and wouldn't need to de-interlace.
Another point is that you would have been better off using the 'Even-Odd field(field)' de-interlace option instead of using the 'double' option as this tends to make objects blur when they move.
As far your green line is concerned, this is usually an error in your source AVI and is due to incorrect resolutions being used.
You should always make sure that resolutions are in mutiples of 16 or you will get this problem.
You could have clipped this out using the 'clip frame' feature in TMPG.
AVI and is due to incorrect resolutions being used...
hmm it is the default capture avi file in DV quality setting.
Maybey I can try some other setting in the preference.
Crop is working, so if I can't find the right resolution setting this wil a solution.
Thank's a lot again answering my question. I hope I will learn a lott in the next few days about making a good video.
Hy, i only asked me if I still can get better results. I use 2-pass vbr, max 2520, min 300, 1600-2000 in the middle, estimate motion search and no filters, when i produce SVCD. And what is dual channel at the sound settings? Someting like surround or dolby? What about the field order?
Dual channel is like takeing sterio and mixing it into one channel and playing it out two channels,it seems that you could probably raise the bitrate a bit ,it"s a bit low for svcd,unless you don"t want to go over the svcd standard..
That would be mono wouldn't it?
I thought Dual channel was a form of stereo and was just two totally independent channels of audio where there is no bit sharing between the two, where as with ordinary stereo there is still some bit sharing between channels.
I need help ! I have been trying to burn large .avi files (movies I've downloaded from a peer-to-peer server)with no luck. I am using the latest copy of Nero. The lengthy encoding/burning process goes fine. When I try to play the disc in my DVD player (Pioneer DV525, all research hearlds this player as one of the best for vcd playback),the DVD player makes funny noises trying to search for the menu and then ejects the VCD. Sometimes the player will actually shutdown after searching. I've been able to get the disc to actually play twice out of the 50 or so times. I've tried different avi files but always the same result. Can you help?
Did you convert the AVI to VCD or SVCD before you tried to play it? Did you use TMPGEnc?
As far as your model, it is reported that it has trouble playing SVCD Menus? Does yours have a detailed Menu? I also read that it is picky when it comes to certain brands of CDRs. What did you use, name brand or generic?
By the way, it's very difficult to claim that any DVD player is "one of the best for vcd playback". In actuality, most DVD players on the market perform very well, some better than others. I have a 3 month old $150 Pioneer player, and it works great, but I just picked up a $50 Apex model to handle my PAL VCDs and SVCDs that the Pioneer would not play.
Almost every player on the market RIGHT NOW doesn't do "something" perfectly, but most do almost everything fine. Not counting a $350 Technics player my friends picked up 13 months ago - it ONLY plays DVDs!! But as I said, most players out RIGHT NOW do a good job, but there are still a few dogs to avoid.
I was told The latest version of Nero would convert an AVI file, so i
tried dragging and dropping the avi file and it encoded and burnt with
no problems. As far as the disks, I've used Imation and Office Depot (both CDR).
Should I convert the file with TMPGEnc and simply use Nero to burn? If so,
is TMPGEnc is to use? I've been doing some reading, do I have to sepearte the sound file from the video file?
My old 525 will play any VCD/SVCD with or without Menus. It will also play any type of Cheapo CDR's...The fact that your 525 has played the 'Dodgy' one a couple of times proves it to be a good machine...Look to your downloaded AVI's as the cause of your problems.
Wilyiam.....my 525 is almost 2 years old as well. Can you be more specific about what to check the AVI files for? They play great in my Windows media player using the angelpotion codec. Should I use TMPGEnc to clean up the the AVI files before the burning process?
Tom. The version of Nero that I have is several months old, so if the VERY latest has the capability to do this on the fly, then I don't know about it. But quite honestly, even if it claims it can do this, I doubt it will be able to do it properly since re-encoding or converting a LARGE AVI file on the fly in a few seconds or minutes sounds quite impossible. If it took Nero several hours to burn the disc after you dropped the AVI file into it, then most likely are versions are similiar, since that time was spent re-encoding the file in the background. Since you didn't mention how long it took to complete the burn, I'm covering all the bases here.
For some time now, if Nero detected that an MPEG is not 100% compliant, it tells you that it will "ignore the compliance, reencode the file or cancel the adding". Anytime I have allowed Nero to reencode the file, it has f'd up the disc. In this case, you would have MORE luck if you told Nero to "ignore the compliance", than to reencode it. Nero has also had "AVI support" for awhile, but I wouldn't trust it to do any proper reencoding.
Since you are obviously having trouble with that disc, then your choice is simple. Use TMPGenc to reencode the file to either an SVCD or VCD. Depending on the size of the original, this will take some time to do. Best if you convert it at a time when you don't need your PC for a bloack of time, such as when you are sleeping. The process will take less time if you aren't running any other tasks on your PC.
There are other tools out there to reencode AVIs, but I have always preferred TMPGenc. Maybe someone else can suggest another app, but I would stay with TMPGenc given the choice. For best results, you would need to renencode using pure streams of Audio and Video. If you are new to this, then go to alt.binaries.multimedia.utilities and look for "Dr. Mercury's Movie Kit". He posts his latest package every Saturday night. It comes with many apps and instructions for doing everything you need to know.
Tom. The version of Nero that I have is several months old, so if the VERY latest has the capability to do this on the fly, then I don't know about it. But quite honestly, even if it claims it can do this, I doubt it will be able to do it properly since re-encoding or converting a LARGE AVI file on the fly in a few seconds or minutes sounds quite impossible. If it took Nero several hours to burn the disc after you dropped the AVI file into it, then most likely are versions are similiar, since that time was spent re-encoding the file in the background. Since you didn't mention how long it took to complete the burn, I'm covering all the bases here.
For some time now, if Nero detected that an MPEG is not 100% compliant, it tells you that it will "ignore the compliance, reencode the file or cancel the adding". Anytime I have allowed Nero to reencode the file, it has f'd up the disc. In this case, you would have MORE luck if you told Nero to "ignore the compliance", than to reencode it. Nero has also had "AVI support" for awhile, but I wouldn't trust it to do any proper reencoding.
Since you are obviously having trouble with that disc, then your choice is simple. Use TMPGenc to reencode the file to either an SVCD or VCD. Depending on the size of the original, this will take some time to do. Best if you convert it at a time when you don't need your PC for a bloack of time, such as when you are sleeping. The process will take less time if you aren't running any other tasks on your PC.
There are other tools out there to reencode AVIs, but I have always preferred TMPGenc. Maybe someone else can suggest another app, but I would stay with TMPGenc given the choice. For best results, you would need to renencode using pure streams of Audio and Video. If you are new to this, then go to alt.binaries.multimedia.utilities and look for "Dr. Mercury's Movie Kit". He posts his latest package every Saturday night. It comes with many apps and instructions for doing everything you need to know.
BoBo....thanx for the help! I will try to get the kit from the newsgroup. So, was I correct in my research? If I use TMPGEnc, will I have to split up the video and audio and then recombine them before I burn them? By the way, the nero encoding process for a 300MB AVI file is taking about 2 hours.
I think your problem is that you used "Nero" to encode your movie, as for encodeing goes "Nero" sucks the big one ,but as a burning program there is none better..encodeing with "tmpgenc" will give you much better quality than anything that nero could produce,useing "tmpgenc" is a lot more complicated than useing "nero" but it is worth it.mpeg is not a format for "cleaning up" your avi files, your avi files should be at the best quality possible when you encode then to mpeg cuz the mpeg will only look as good as the avi file you encode..so try encodeing with "tmpgenc" and if you have problems post back and someone will try to fix any problem you are haveing.....
....Is there a "How to" out there dealing with encoding the avi file with TMPGEnc? Do I need to seperate the audio with VirtualDub? Will TMPGEnc re-combine the audio and video?
Tom. Please go download the latest Dr. M kit, and come back here with any questions. After you familiarize yourself with some of the appd and the processes, you will be able to move forward quickly. I will check this board a few times during the course of the day, but there is always someone here to help you.
If you are new to Newsgroups, make sure you are using a proper News Reader, like Agent, and if not, then Free Agent or NewsBin Pro. Make sure you get ALL headers so you can find the post from this past Saturday. Your ISP newsfeed should still have the posts for that day. If not, get a free 3 day trial at http://www.easynews.com/trial/ With EasyNews, you can DL from a web interface, or use a newsreader as I suggested above. DO NOT use Outlook Express for downloading binaries!! That would be a waste of your time!
You say that your player has played the disk twice out of fifty times.
This means you must have encoded it right otherwise it wouldn't play at all.
One tip I can give you which may help, is to reduce your burning speed if you are burning the disk at high speed.
VCD's don't burn to well at high speed and most if not all players will have problems like jerking, blocks appearing and funny noises in the sound with disks burned above 4x.
So try to burn your VCD at 4x and see how it goes.
Has anybody used the 2.54a new env. setting? If you choose to save the result from the first, how much faster to do a 2pass vbr compared to 2.53? thanks
Why are you useing "2.41" it is quite old, but your problem sounds like you need to raise your "direct show" plugin..Go to "options" to "enviromental settings" to "vfapi plugins" and raise the "direct show" plugin to "2" and lower every thing else to "0".....This should get your avi file loaded.......
Used TMPGEnc 2.54a to convert AVI file to MPG file (NTSC)
for DVD-R. I have a Pioneer DVD-R writer and want to
play MPG file created by TMPGEnc 2.54a for DVD playback on
my TV, using a DVD player purchased in China.
When I copy MPG file created by TMPGEnc 2.54a to
Pioneer DVD-RW/R Writer, MPG file writes OK, but
does not play on DVD connected to TV.
I know the DVD Writer and Player work because I have
copied numerous DVD's and they play fine.
Is there another step after creating an MPG file with
TMPGEnc I need to do before writing the DVD-R disk ?
If you have copied Numerous DVD"s and they play fine then do what you did when you burnt those numerous dvd"s, is this the first time that you have used Tmpgenc for encodeing your dvd"s?did you use a different encoder when you burnt your other dvd"s?If you have done numerous dvd"s and this one time you used Tmpgenc and it did not work then do what you did when they did work..
Realize this is a bit "off the subject", but wondering if some of the people here can recommend a decent DVD authoring package. I already have a "finished" DV video (Premiere / TMPGenc), but need to create DVD menu, chapter points, etc. Tried the MyDVD that came with my Pioneer 104, but it "transcodes" the mpeg2, and also cannot add chapter points.
Encoding for DVD, if I use CBR the resulting stream actually has a VBR. Even setting for VBR and setting Max/Avg/Min all the same still sees a VBR, with peaks going above the maximum setting, and mins dropping well below the Min setting. This is of course causing problems as setting say a maximum of 9000 CBR is seeing a VBR stream with peaks going about 10Mbits/sec causing problems on playback!
I've had many audio sync problems converting a 512x384 (4:3) NTSC 23.97 48000 DivX trailer to play on my PAL Sony NS-300 multi-region DVD player and Sony 4:3 TV in the UK.
First I demultiplex the file to a 44.1 WAV file and a video stream.
Then I encode a new file:
With fixed frame rate, 512x384 the picture is too far to the right. This is probably a DVD/TV problem.
With 23.97 frame rate, SuperVCD 480x512 (PAL) but mpeg1 format (2200kbps) the picture is good but the audio sync is wrong, seems to get worse.
I have tried many combinations of resolution, aspect ratio, frame rate. I have studied vcdhelp.com. The TV is multi-standard and plays all the different frame rates (NTSC/PAL) with a good picture. I use Nero to burn CD-RW disks.
You have done every thing right up to a certain point, but what you didn"t do is realize that your video stream is now shorter than your audio cuz you have sped up the movie by changeing the frame rate from 23.97 ntsc to 25 pal, now what you have to do is shrink your audio file..First extract the audio from your video file then find out the "Exact" length of your video file, now you will need a audio editing program like "cool edit" which has a function that will allow you to shrink(or stretch)your audio file to the exact same length as your video file, after you have done this you just you can multiplex your audio file and your video file together and then they should be in sync..There is a bit more to it that i wrote here but this is basicaly how you do it, you will need to experiment for a bit to get it right, but it"s better than never getting it done, if you have trouble figureing it out you can e-mail me ........good luck
Thanks I see your point. I don't think the sync problem is due to a 23.97/25 (95.88%) timing skew - over a 40 minute movie the sound is out by about a second or two. While we are on that point - are there any details about the TMPg frame rate conversion? I would expect it to interpolate between frames to keep the timing correct and the CPU time used supports that. If it simply output frames without any processing it would finish in a few minutes.
It seems more likely there are small jittor errors creeping in, either in the audio or video streams. Perhaps the extraction of the Divx MP3 audio track is not 100% accurate timewise...or the Divx codec that decodes the video frame by frame for TmpG it not entirely accurate.
I recall getting some "buffer underflow" errors from one of the conversion programs. At the time I just ignored them but if audio samples where lost that could explain the sync errors. I'll see if I can reproduce the problem.
Are there any test AVIs or MPGs anywhere? One showing time and an audio click every second could be calibrated with a clock.
Thanks I see your point. I don't think the sync problem is due to a 23.97/25 (95.88%) timing skew - over a 40 minute movie the sound is out by about a second or two. While we are on that point - are there any details about the TMPg frame rate conversion? I would expect it to interpolate between frames to keep the timing correct and the CPU time used supports that. If it simply output frames without any processing it would finish in a few minutes.
It seems more likely there are small jittor errors creeping in, either in the audio or video streams. Perhaps the extraction of the Divx MP3 audio track is not 100% accurate timewise...or the Divx codec that decodes the video frame by frame for TmpG it not entirely accurate.
I recall getting some "buffer underflow" errors from one of the conversion programs. At the time I just ignored them but if audio samples where lost that could explain the sync errors. I'll see if I can reproduce the problem.
Are there any test AVIs or MPGs anywhere? One showing time and an audio click every second could be calibrated with a clock.
Your post is VERY confusing to say the least.
On one hand you say you are creating a PAL SVCD, but then you say the framerate is 23.97 and the resolution is 480x512 and the format is MPEG1, so how can that be PAL SVCD? PAL SVCD is MPEG2 480x576 25 fps which is nothing like your specs.
One other point I'd like to ask is, does this happen on the PC as well as your DVD player?
I think TMPG probably does interpolate frames when you change the framerate, but this always results in jerky playback where the frame has been interpolated otherwise the length of the movie would change which doesn't happen.
I think that your sync probs are due to errors in either the video stream or audio stream as this only happens with certain files and I don't think it has anything to do with buffer underflow errors.
If the audio is gradually losing sync then I would follow Minion's suggestion and find the length of the streams separately and use Cooledit 2000 to adjust the audio stream accordingly or you could simply alter the framerate slightly using AVIframerate changer and speed up or slow down the video to match the audio.
Me again, I was having troubles before with tmpg not accepting the mpegs that i made using vcdgear. I was told to use isobuster to create them and this would solve my problem. I just got done creating another mpeg from bin and cue files using isobuster and tmpg still said that it was an illegal mpeg. What is the problem? I have uninstalled tmpg and re downloaded it and tried about every other method of converting. Now if there is an easier way to do what i am trying to do, im all ears. here is the scoop-
My dvd player doesnt support svcd so i use the tmpg to put a vcd header on the mpeg files that i create. This has worked for me 50 times in the past. Without any problems. Now all of the sudden every mpeg that i create no matter how i create them says illegal mpeg when i try to load it in the tmpg demultiplex or even the merge and cut. When i try to load them in isobuster it says some other error like pvc or somthing. I am in desperate need of help. Please send it. Thanks in advance.
Did you create these bin/cue files with that crap VCDgear. If you did this is the reason why you are still getting the error when you extract with ISO buster.
VCDgear alters something in the MPEG itself so no matter what program you use to extract it, it will still have the same problem with TMPG.
The way around your problem is to demultiplex the file with another program first such as DVMPEG or MPEG2VCR first. It should then open in TMPG ok.
Another solution to your problem is to not extract the MPEG from the bin file at all.
A program called Daemon tools to create a virtual drive. This allows you to open the image and use it as if it were already burned to a disk. You can then use TMPG to open the MPEG or DAT file directly from the image. http://www.daemon-tools.net/main800.htm
also 1 thing that i forgot to mention, Even the movies that i havent touched with vcdgear dont work on tmpgenc. So i am wondering if i have a setting wrong on it or if when i was installing those codecs if i might have installed some conflicting stuff??? just some ideas. But now that i have demultiplexed an mpeg, tmpg does accept the video part of it. But says that it is an illegal audio mpeg. and as far as your question as to where the original mpeg files are, I downloaded the rar files and extracted them to bin and cue using winrar. So i never have had the original mpeg files. I appreciate the help.
If you can get your video file in "tmpgenc" then your problem is solved, just encode the audio the a wav file with any audio encoder and load that in a your audio file.....
Sorry that should be. http://www.dbpoweramp.com
One other thing if you have trouble encoding the audio to a wav. It is most probably AC3.
For this you would have to use a program such as AC3DEC to decode the file to a wav.
got it converted to wav and it still says that it is an illegal audio stream. I am convinced that somthing major is messed up here. NOthing you throw at me seems to work. And like i said before, even files that i havent even touched with vcdgear wont load on tmpg so i think the problem lies deeper then we are looking. Any more ideas? Thanks.
What??? You've got to be kidding me. TMPG 'WONT' load the wav file.
There is definitely something amiss here. That should not happen.
Does it actually play with mediaplayer?
Was the wav encoded to 44.1khz 16 bit stereo?
As a test encode a music file such as an mp3 to a wav with dbpoweramp and try to load that as the audio in TMPG and see if you get the same error.
The only other advice to you is to completely remove TMPG from your system. Download the new version and re-install it.