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I am sorry to post such a aff-base topic but I have searched and searched for a forum that will answer it to no avail. Plus everyone here seems to be so intelligent in all areas of Video editing, I thought there had to be many that could answer my questions. I won't post it now but if anyone is willing to try and answer my questions please reply and then I will ask my question. (they are regarding firewire cards, and dv editing from a camcorder) It is related because ultimately I will use tmpgenc to encode the final product. Thanks
hey minion or any1 else out there these are my settings
Stream type- MPEG-1 video
size- 352 x 240
Aspect ratio- 4:3 525 line (NTSC)
Frame rate- 29.97 fps
Rate control mode- Constant bitrate
Bitrate- 1150
VBV buffer size- 40
profile &level- MAin profile and main level
video format- NTSC
encode mode- non interlace
YUV mode- 4:2:0
DC component percision- 8 bit
motion search percision- normal
would i be able to dvd author this program wath ulead dvd workshop withut it it being reencoded if not how can i make it standard what do i have to change if so how can i increase the quality of my VCD by making it non standard thanx
there is more that you will have to set
if you need to set closed GOPs and 15 frames/GOP or ulead won't eat it, audio should be 224 kbps mpeg2.
standard tmpgenc is set to 18 frames / GOP.
Depending on the template yu choose ulead wil or will not reencode.
if you choose mpeg1 video, it will always reencode as far as i know, if you use mpeg2 (svcd or dvd) you have to set different resolutions and use a cbr mpeg2 as source or it will again reencode there is a template for custom that allows you to set the bitrate, if you use that, set it higher than the cbr source, then it willnot reencode.
Also it only accepts 4:3 ratio mpegs
That is as far as i know.
Its all in the helpfiles of dvdworkshop.
if you are making vcd's or svcd's dvdworkshop is not the way to go.
Then VCDeasy would be a better choice and it works much faster.
dvd can have mpeg1 content, but it still has to be compliant with dvd.
you can use mpeg1, but it has to be either 352x288 or 352x576 for pal
or 352x240 or 352x480 for ntsc.
You cannot use mpeg2 480 wide with fake vcd headers.
it has to conform to the resolutions
now i don't know what authoring tool you use, dvdworkshop i believe, i don't think that can actualy produce mpeg1 dvd's
you need a professional dvd authoring tool for that.
dvd maestro or the program they use hollywood, scenarist can do mpeg1 dvd.
i think dvd workshop only accepts full screen 4:3 mpeg2 as input
not even 16:9 mpeg2
its a tool for private use, so don't expect to much of it
When I try star no run,show a window with this mensage (Index of scan line is out of range (304)).
I try to do SVCD, frame about 58400 ,video bitrate 2236,audio :224,size 727.78 MB,
Im select set star,and set end,in source range.
I try with the wizard and without this ,but get the same result.
I like to know what happend about it,i apreciatted much your help.
Right i have encoded some svcd films from avi's but when i play them in my stand alone DVD player there seems to be some random jumping it's not very often but its there i am using the project wizard with me settings being
i use the decompress tool in avi2vcd_ver1_4 for the audio
cut video at source range b4 encoding
motion search percission = highest quality
video arrange method = full screen (keep aspect ratio)
disk capacatiy 100% 80 min cdr
also could someone recomend some extra settings for improving the picture quality please
system specs if needed
512 ddr mem
1x60 ibm 1X80ibm
2000 Xp cpu
8500 radeon
real magic dvd out-put card
insufficient data, does not compute,
based on what you gave us there is no way to tell you what is going wrong.
start at the beginning, what are you using for input?
video: codec, cbr or vbr, fps,bitrate, resolution, aspect ratio
audio: codec, cbr or vbr, samplerate, bitrate ?
use the svcd template, in advanced set closed gops,in audio set error protection.
don't mess with search precission etc, the settings in the template are ok,
try using 2-pass vbr,
from what you gave us it can be a number of things that go wrong:
most likely you might have to raise directx priority
Right i am encoding from a divx dvd quality i decompress the audio using avi2vcd_ver1_4 audio decompressor then i load up TMPGEnc start the project wizard load up me file that i am going to convert i goto source range and cut me film in half then i goto other settings and set the picture to full screen keep aspect ratio set the motion search to normal or highest depending how i feel :) then i set the bitrate so that it uses 100% disk space of a 80min cd
the template is the one that it uses for the project wizard
I am new with this program ... i am trying to make a mpeg 1 file for video cd ... the whole encoding part works finne but when i play the file with a player theres no sound at all ... could anyone help me ?
icq number use it !
Is ther audio in the mpeg file but not in the VCD??? or is there no audio in the mpeg file either???If there is no audio in either it could be because the audio format in your avi file is not supported by Tmpgenc..tmpgenc does not like to encode certain audio formats, what you have to do is use"Virtual Dub" to extract the audio from your AVI file to a wav file and use the wav file as your audio source...But if the audio was in the Mpeg file but you can"t hear it on your TV then it could be that the audio was set to the wrong frequency in Tmpgenc ,the audio frequency for VCD"s is 41000khz and a lot of players will not play it if it isn"t that frequency.......
um in several posts u have put 41000khz for audio which is an order of 1000 too large lol and more importantly the number is 44100 in hertz...lol not to be too perdantic
I feel like I'm pounding my head on a brick wall. I've been through so many "how to" tutorial pages...well, enough whining.
1. I captured approx 30 minutes video with avi_io(huffyuv)@480X480 no problem.
2. Loaded the 6 avi's into virtualdub and edited out the adverts no problem.
3. Installed the virtualdub frameserve client and started the frameserver in virtualdub. Saved the file as ***.vdr.avi as I had seen explained in one of the many tutorials.
4. Started tmpgenc and set the priority of the AVI VFW to '2'
5. Started the wizard and tried to load ***.vdr.avi and received an error message "File ***.vdr.avi cannot open or unsupported"
6. Repeat 2,3,4 and 5 with many other permutations and combinations including uninstalling/reinstalling the virtualdub frameserver client and rebooting comp with no change in error message.
I have searched the forums for 'frameserve' and 'frameserving' and many people talk about doing just that from vdub to tmpgenc like it was so easy. I must be doing something wrong. Any ideas??
why use a frameserver if tmpgenc can handle that avi directly?
just use the avi as input file, no frameserving necessary.
if you can capyure huffyuv, it means you have the codec installed and you can load it directly into tmpgenc.
I think that if you disable the "Direct show" filter in the Vfapi plugins that is supposed to help if you are haveing problems with VDR files..If you upgrade to XP you can use a Ntsf formated disk and not worry about semlessly joining 6 avi files in tmpgenc while frameserveing cuz you would have 1 big file......
Thanks guys. Yep, an XP upgrade will be in the works when the budget allows. Then I can be rid of that 2Gig nuisance.
I'm not at all familiar enough with any of the programs I'm using to know what I can and cannot do but from reading through this board I did not think that tmpgenc would handle more than one avi at a time or if you managed to batch process there was still the problem of joining them afterwards. Frameserving from my editor(vdub)solves those problems.
Actualy there is a way to have several avi's handled succesively by using the batch encoding feature.
if you encode right , merging the mpegs is not a problem either, because tmpg has de/multiplex and cut and join tool.
and using a seperate proggy to produce a batchfile(tbe) you can even have the joining done in batchmode
but it's a bit complicated
the only thing a frameserver adds when you encode from an avi source is more time to encode.
Here is a quick check to see whether the problem is the frame server client or TMPG which is causing the problem.
Create a .vdr file then start up another instance of Virtualdub. Now try and load the .vdr file into Virtualdub. If it loads the problem is with TMPG. If it doesn't then the problem is with the frame server client not being installed correctly.
If you still have problems with TMPG even though the file loads into Virtualdub ok then it is possible to load the .vdr file into the VFAPI converter and create a dummy AVI which will load into TMPG no problem.
I was just about to finally give up and buy XP after spending the afternoon at work(all our Unix servers were down) searching through many other sites of which at least 6 gave advice on this frameserving problem when I thought I would try one last time when I got home.
The answer to my problem was so simple it is truly pathetic.
When virtualdub asks for a file name to save the frameserve process to (is that correct?) you MUST put on the .vbr extension. It is not added automatically as I would have normally expected.
My one note of caution with this whole thing is that I have made a number of other changes/additions with dll's and such. But none of those other changes resulted in the frameserver working.
I'm suprised that was the answer as it doesn't usually matter whether you give it a .vdr extension or not.
I always give the file an .AVI extension without the .vdr extension and it works fine. It even works fine without any extension at all so I would guess that your solution is purely incidental and would probably work now without the .vdr extension. The Virtual dub frameserver is tempermental and for some reason can suddenly just start or stop working, but once you get it working you don't usually need the .vdr extension.
minion made me change some settings and the cd's i make wont work here are my
settings
Stream type- MPEG-1 video
size- 352 x 240
Aspect ratio- 4:3 525 line (NTSC)
Frame rate- 29.97 fps
Rate control mode- Constant bitrate
Bitrate- 1150
VBV buffer size- 40
profile &level- MAin profile and main level
video format- NTSC
encode mode- non interlace
YUV mode- 4:2:0
DC component percision- 8 bit
motion search percision- normal
Did you use a vcd burning tool?
making it mpeg1 and just copying it to cd won't work, you need a vcd burning tool. that uses a different filesystem then iso and it produces the files to make a vcd.
a dvd player won't recognise teh disk if you just copy the files to cd.
the settings that you mentioned are the standard vcd settings and should work.
The same settings are forced if you load the vcd ntsc template.
What do you mean it doesn"t work???Won"t play on your computer?? Won"t play on your dvd player? your authoring program says it isn"t compliant?? What did you use to Burn it???You need Special durning software to put VCD"s on a CD-R, you can"t just burn it as a data CD...so post back with the problem.....
so your saying as long as i convert to VCD with tmpgenc it will be compliant and i can author it with dvd workshop? if so how can i make it a non standard to up the quality
I"s not as long as you use tmpgenc it is as long as you make a standard VCD, DVD workshop will Re-encode the file if the File is NON standard Meaning if it ISN"T 352 by 240 1150gbs Video 224KBS audio 4100khz Audio frequency and 29.9fps, so it has To be Like that Or it will Be re-encoded...If you Raise the bitrate It will be Re-encoded, so you have to make Standard Low Quality VCD"s if you want to use DVD Workshop......
ok first off how can i check all that stuff after i have used tmpgenc second off you told me how to higher the bitrate once b4 and i havent seen any change
After cutting two files together (two mpegs), there sometimes are many small square black boxes between the picture of the 1st movie and the picture of the 2nd movie (when i play it with PowerDVD).
How can i fix this?
That happens sometimes when you are joining 2 files together were the joining point is Not on an I frame, the correct button is supposed to fix this but sometimes it doesn"t, what usually works is to load in the 2 files that you want to join then edit a few frames off the end of file 1 and off the beginning of file 2, but you have to find the edit points with the slider not the frame by frame buttons, cuz the slider naturally stops on I frames which are the correct edit points in a Mpeg file, this can be tricky cuz the slider is very sensitive and will jump arround a bit...
it would be nice if tmpgenc had 2 frame buttons that jumped only between I frames ....a bit like how virtual dub has 2 keyframe buttons.:-)Easier than using the slider on a big movie.
it would be nice if tmpgenc had 2 frame buttons that jumped only between I frames ....a bit like how virtual dub has 2 keyframe buttons.:-)Easier than using the slider on a big movie.
I have captured an episode using WinDVR 2.0 & GeForceTi4600 Video IN, the capture is excellent ( captured into MPEG 1 VCD ), so now I have loaded the file into TMPGenc so I can cut out the commercials, once i have that done I RUN it so it then puts the file back into MPEG for me ready to be recorded. Once completed I went to test the file & I noticed that the audio is way off. It is fine in the original capture but way off afters.
I have done this before many times with other episodes & never had that problem, this is the firs time.
Any idea what this could be?
PIII 800 w/512MB of RAM
VisionTek GeForce4 Ti 4600 card
60GB HD 7200 rpm
using latest TMPGenc off the website
using WinDVR 2.0 to record into MPEG1
Tmpgenc does not support the correct editing of files that aren"t encoded by Tmpgenc, hell it barely supports it"s own encoded Mpeg files, especially if they are VBR streams.. I would sugest useing a different more reliable Mpeg editor and joiner...When the Mpeg Tools don"t want to work right there isn"t much you can do to fix it accept use something else...The mpeg editor and joiner in "Cyperlink Power VCR" is fairly good at editing Captured Mpeg files so maybe try it.......
When i multiplex my video with the "simple multiplex" to an audio-file, after multiplexing it sais "57 s packets cause buffer underflow.
The MPEG file might cause error when it played."
What does that mean? Do i have to erase the whole video-file and cut it again??
I"ll Try to explain "Buffer under flow"..Mpeg data is stored in "Data Packets" I think that the packets have "2048kb" in each data packet, but if a data packet has less than the set amout of data in it you get Buffer Underflow, and if there is more data than the set amout you get Buffer Overflow..While multiplexing it reads the data packets and if they aren"t aligned properly you will get this error...It is hard to explain without going into a lot of techno mumbo jumbo, but it meant that if you get to many packets underflowing you will have problems when playing the mpeg file.....
The Packet Size for SVCD and VCD is 2324 Bytes.
This has to match with the Sector-Size on a SVCD/VCD, it's also 2324 Bytes/Sector (CD-ROM has 2048 Bytes/Sector). That's why you can burn 797 MB of Video on a 700 (80 Minutes) CD-R.
OK, the way, Audio and Video has to be multiplexed must match the Sector-Size AND the Datarate. Datarate and Sector-Size are resulting in the optimal Muxrate, and TMPGEnc can only handle Standard-Datarates correctly (max 2788 kbps for SVCD and 1374 kbps for VCD). Is the Bitrate (Datarate) higher, Underflows (or Overflows) will appear.
(Shit, why they all say, english is an easy language?... ;) )
if you get hundreds of buffer underflow messages, try decreasing the vbv buffersize
if you get a lot of buffer overflow, then try increasing the VBV buffersize.
If you use the unlocked template and you choose 1150 kbps video and you set the VBV buffersize to for instance 120, you will get nothing but buffer underflows
the templates have VBV 40 kb, for 1150 kbps, 112 kb for 2550 kbps and and 224 kb for 7000 kbps.
the VBV size is one of those parameters that the standalone or software player takes from the vcd , svcd or dvd files
the vbv buffer is a fifo buffer and its size is determined by that vbv parameter if it is too big the data will be read before the buffer is filled again, and at that point there are no more packets to be read thus causing buffer underflow which makes for jerky pictures and other things we don't want to happen.