Hi there, wonder if you can help me again. its still the svcd 29.xxx re-encode problem. Below is the original setting the dvd was ripped with..

source.......: dvd retail
format.......: ntsc svcd (480x480, 29.97fps)
video: 2211kbit 4-Pass VBR
audio: 224kbits 44.1khz

Ok basially what i want to do is keep it svcd, but make the screen size bigger.
Ive been trying what you told me to do earlier (using a sample) and i nearly got it, but the audio is always out of sync.

TIA

4 Pass!! That is overkill. After a 3 pass you will get NO difference.
How are you achieving this 4 pass? You are not using TMPGenc for this.

How did you mange to multiplex the original audio if you only had a sample?
Did use TMPG to cut a small part of the original SVCD then encode that and then multiplex the audio with that file?

My advice to you is to encode the whole movie, just the video not the audio.
When you have encoded the video part then take your old SVCD and de-multiplex the audio from it.
Multiplex the audio with your new file. If it doesn't sync up, I will then advise you further with instructions how to sync the audio with the movie.

ASHY

The film im trying to get sorted is
SVCD-2002-The Lord Of The Rings: Fellowship Of The Rings TCF

not sure if that helps you any but thats the way they ripped the film

Just wondering what template should i be using to encode just the video part ?

Thx again

ok im it by just loading this setting

SUPERVIDEOCD__NTSC_.MCF

id prefare to try and get it into pal and 25fps, but i bet thats even tougher :(

Me again, ok i took the sample and encoded just the video at this setting

MPEG-2 480x480 29.97fps CBR 2520kbps

i picked the setting above because to be honest im not sure which templete to load.

I also de-multiplexed the audio from the original sample, then tyed to multiplex the new m2v file with the audio file. result was audio not synced, you can see the lip movements b4 hearing the sound.

Thx again.
PS.. sorry to be such a pain, but this is bugging me now. and i want to get it right.

Ok now we have established that there is a definite audio delay we can deal with the problem.
I'm going to give you instructions on the way I sync all my movies perfectly.
I have never had a movie I cannot sync yet.

Ok follow these steps.

1. Load the new movie without the audio in to TMPG and load the Mp2 file as the audio.

2. Goto File>Output to file and choose 'wave file'. Choose where you want to save and then click save. This will create a wav file from your audio.

3. Next load the standard VCD template (I know it's SVCD) then 'unlock' it and select video only on the right.

4. Now go to File>save project and save it.

5. Next you will need the VFAPI coverter to turn this project file into an AVI, so download it from here http://www.divx-digest.com/software/vfapi.html.
Unzip the file and run vifpset.bat.

6. Now run the VFAPI converter, click add job and load your TMPG project file.
Click ok on the box which pops up then click convert. You will now have an AVI in the same folder as the project file.

7. Download Virtualdub and run it. Load your AVI you created then click audio and choose 'wav audio' then load your wav file.

8. This is where we find out how much offset we need to add to sync the movie.
Click audio again then click 'interleaving'. Here you will see a box titled 'Audio skew correction'.

In this box you can type in values of millisecs. If your audio is behind in the movie then to sync it you need to reduce the delay by entering a negative value such as -200 or if it's ahead then you need to add a delay, so add a positive value such as 200.
Once you have choosen a skew setting then maximize the VirtualDUB window to full screen and click the first play button, bottom left, to see the result.

This is all trial and error, but doing it this way you will be able to find out the exact value you need to sync the movie.

9. Once you have found the required skew setting which syncs the movie, write it down and post back with it and I will give you further instructions how to use that value to sync your MPEG.

ASHY

Click this link for the VFAPI converter. There is a very small dot at the end of the link which is causing it to cockup.
http://www.divx-digest.com/software/vfapi.html

ASHY

By the way you didn't answer my question.
How are you acheiving a 4 pass encode?

ASHY

hi, thx for the quick replys. ok ive went right through your instructions, but when i get to playing the files back through virtualdub. the whole thing is very jumpy and its hard to match the audio to the picture. might i have some setting wrong? i see the picture just fine but it like jumps frames.

I didnt encode the film to start with. Its a svcd release from a group who got there hands on the dvd, of which i got the svcd release, which im trying to convert/ or re-encode.

If it's jumpy then it probably means your CPU isn't powerful enough to handle it. You could try clicking on the display window and reducing it by half. This will help, but will make it difficult to see.

If that doesn't work then the next step is to sync the sudio as we would have done after using virtualdub, but your gonna have to guess.

The easiest way to do this is to take your new movie and add the audio to it then using the Merge&Cut feature cut about 5mins of it from a suitable position where people are static and you can see lips moving clearly.

Once you have done this de-multiplex this small file.
Now download BBMPEG: http://www.divx-digest.com/software/avi2mpg2.html
This is a guide on how to multiplex with BBMPEG.
Guide how to multiplex with BBMPEG: http://www.spawns.dk/svcd/bbmpeg.htm

You are going to use BBMPEGS A/V delay feature when mutiplexing to sync your movie.

Look at the instructions on how to multiplex and look at instruction 5.
At the bottom of the picture you will see a row boxes titled 'start up delay(ms)'
Using the 'Video' and 'Audio 1' boxes it is possible to add a delay to either.
Just add an extra 100ms in steps to either the audio or video depending on which needs delaying and then multiplex.
If you want a good starting value try adding an extra 220ms to the delay then increase or decrease it as required.

Now load up your test file as it says in the instructions and use that as a guide for syncing your movie. Once you have found suitable values to sync your movie you can then use them on your full movie.

Note: it isn't necessary to check the SVCD option as this will add SVCD headers making the process slower, you will only need to do this for the final full movie, just choose MPEG2 for now.
Also be careful to check before you start the mutiplex that the values in the delay boxes haven't changed as they have a habit of reverting back to normal when you click one of the option tabs.

ASHY

Thx again, m8 i think i got it sorted out now sync seems fine.

Now i need to find a program that joins avi files for a diff film :)

wow....ashy...thats crazy... ok ... I have a much easier way of syncing the audio with the video.....first of all I just play the movie and see if the sync is a gradual build-up----i.e. synced in the beginning but not at end....that one is harder...requires stretching or shrinking the audio...the second and most common is where the movie is out of sync for the duration of the movie...the words always comes before the lips or vice-versa....in tmpgenc in the sorce range setting...even if not going to have a source range...i.e whole movie will be encoded...not cut up...anyway...in this screen is an option for audio gap correct...and is adjusted by using a positive or negative number represented in milli-seconds....adjust this setting to match sync your audio....then start the encode...again this is also trial and error...once you ge all the settings correct just encode the entire movie.... happy syncing

according to the original question encoding it this way will not increase the size whatsoever...so yuo will have the same size as original with a lot of time wasted....480X480...the quality cannot be any better than what it originally is...and if you encode to a higher resolution...you will have to encode to higher bitrate to compensate for more bits being used...by highering the bitrate you will have larger files.....so it is not really necessary to change the resolution....now if it is that it has black bars on top,bottom,left, or right...then what you want to use is the clip frame option...clip frame and rresolution are 2 totally different things.... happy encoding

Ok, still not sorted, and im getting very lost. The sync seems fine at the start but at the end of the film its way out of sync. I think i'll just forget about this 1, wish i could get it right but i think its beat me :(

To start with the original film was encoded in 29.xxx so i simply thought i could re-encode it back at ntsc which is 29.xxx but its way out of sync.If there wasa way i could get a copy of the sample to some1 to try, but thats asking too much. If you want to try and explain it more then sweet.
The original is 29.xxx. what template should i use in TMPGEnc to get the closest match.and is it maybe possible to use cool edit pro to sync the m2v and the mp2 files?

TIA

Yes IRCGOD Iam WELL aware of the source range function which has the audio gap correct function.
This feature is useless unless you intend to re-encode your movie and I can promise you it isn't easier unless you like re-encoding your movies over and over again.

With the method I use it isn't necessary to re-encode the whole movie again and who would want to.
Why waste a few hours re-encoding the movie when the problem can be sorted in a fraction of the time without re-encoding.

Also you can never guarantee the output with the audio gap correct feature, sure you can do a small test encode, but that doesn't mean it will still be in sync all the way through to the end of the movie.

Correcting the A/V sync when multiplexing is the fastest way to do it and only takes a few minutes. If it isn't synced after mutiplexing you only have to try again and not re-encode your whole movie.

I think you will learn this time.

ASHY

I meant I think you will learn this in time.

ASHY

What are the lengths of the audio and video files separately?
If the are different then this could be the reason for the sync prob.
It is possible to sort this with cooledit.

ASHY

i was converting a divx file to mpg using 2pass vbr, and every time it gets to 50% and starts to actually encode, it stops and shows "illegal floating decimal point calculation order". i tried another video and got the same results.

This happens when your divx file is partialy corrupted,what you have to do to avoid this error is to go to your "enviromental settings" then to the "cpu" tab and un-check the "sse" box then go to your "settings" then to "quantize matrix" and un-check the "use floating point dct". then this error souldn"t come up...

I have one film in divx with the audio in the same file video is compresed with divx codec and audio is 153 Kbps MPEG Layer3 when i try with tmpgenc to have a SVCD o VCD file i get it WHITOUT AUDIO I don¡­t know way but if I try with another film in divx that video is compresed with MS-MPEG$ V1 and audio is 31kbps I get the VCD or SVCD file whith audio. Thankyou for your coperation

What you have to do is extract the audio with "virtua dub" and convert it to "wav" then load that in "tmpgenc" for the audio source..As a general rule it is usualy best for quality and to avoid problems to extract the audio to wav and then encode....

I have the same questions as the gentlemen before me had but his was with XVCD.
I guess that XSVCD is better than just SVCD..but how do I know my dvd can play them...it plays SVCD fine. As well does anyone have any templates out there for XSVCD. How high can the bitrate go on SVCD and XSVCD...are the files smaller in XSVCD. Also I wonder if anyone knows why the output after encoding the people seem to be a bit blurred (not much) but it needs to be more (detailed or sharp or something...etc). How can I accomplish this?

Excuse me if I seem a bit dumb on the matter as I have been doing alot of reading about Tmpgenc and I find alot contradictory things...like the "motion search precision" is supposed to be set to normal and not high quality because version 2.53 produces more blockiness on high than normal...is this true?

Thanks much
Jules

I think I know which site you read that about the 'motion search precision' Jules and I have done my own testing and can conclude it's a load of c..p.
The high quality setting only gives a slight improvment and a slightly smaller file size when using VBR.
I always use normal as I can't really see much difference in the tests I have done and for the time it takes to encode I don't think it's worth it.

I'm not sure what you mean by blurred as encoding to SVCD should give quite a high res picture. Do you mean interlacing artifacts such as a combing effect on fast moving verticals?

Anyway you asked for some templates and whether you player would play XSVCD. The answer is probably yes, so try the XSVCD and XVCD templates I have sent you to improve your movies. I have sent these to quite a few people now and have had good feedback from most people about them.
So give 'em a shot and see what you think.

ASHY

Thanks alot for the templates...
The blurred pictures are in general...I used the "no motion search..." option and I do not like what it does to the rest of the movie so I am testing now on not using it ...have to still watch it.
But is XSVCD better quality...the template I have been using for SVCD I have been using CQ max 4000 min 1800. With XSVCD how much higher does this go...and how many minutes can you get on 1Cd from your templates?

thanks
Jules

Hello Ashy

Would you be so kind to send me the templates for SVCD and XVCD as I have also some trouble with pixels and blurring in fast moving scenes.

thanks in advance
Gerrit

I have the latest version of TMPGenc and have been producing vcd's successfully for some time now.However, I've just made my first SVCD and although the quality is excellent,I am having trouble with the merge and cut option.When Itry to edit the file I get an error saying "Could not open this file with DerectShow.(0x80040200).Do I need another plugin? I have been able to to cut the file using bbmepg, but would like to keep all actions in the one program. HELP PLEASE!!!

The simple answer is you probably need some kind of MPEG2 codec installed on your system to open the file.
Yes I know it's daft that TMPG can't open it's own MPEG2 files, but TMPG only has support for creating and not opening MPEG2 files.

Here is a link for an MPEG2 codec which should help you out.
http://www.plmovies.com/mpeg2codec_installer.zip

ASHY

Thanks for the reply,but I had already found the answer elsewhere in the forum (answered by you anyway I think!) Sorry for wasting your time. I will certainly be using this forum again. YOU GUYS ARE KICKASS. Very enlightening!!!!

It crashes every time I open the video.. Anything I might be doing wrong??
thank.. Cyces

I guess you're having the same problem I have. It has to do with an audio codec that you have to install. I think minion or ashy can give you better advice.

How to convert svcd to vcd so I can play it on my dvd player.thanks in advace

go here http://www.vcdhelp.com/mpeg2tovcd.htm i just tried this and it didnt work for me but im not very knowledgeable either

Ok i have a DVDrip svcd ntsc 29.xxxfps. what im looking to do is to re-encode it so i can make the screen height slightly bigger. Ive tryed using the sample of the film first and loading it into tmpgenc with a standard svcd ntsc setting, then using the advanced part to resize the film, it all works fine, but the audio is out of sync. is there a different way that i can do this? or is tmpgenc ok and ive just got settings wrong?
Plz help.
Thx

Well the simple thing I can tell you is that it is only necessary to encode the video part of the film not the audio.

Set up TMPG to encode the movie then choose the video only option on the right.

After encoding go to the MPEGtools and place your new movie into the video field of the 'simple multiplex' option and place your old movie which has the audio in the audio field.
Look where it says 'Type' and choose the MPEG-2 SVCD(VBR) option then just click run and your movie will combined with the sound from the original movie.

ASHY

Thx Ashy, works a treat. you really are an encode god :)

Can't figure how I split the mpeg into 2 files to burn it? Can anyone help of give suggestions?

Split the file into two piece with a file splitter tool.Search at
http://www.google.com for "file splitting tool".

Use the "merge & cut" feature in the "mpeg tools".....

after ruining 10 cds i realize i have much more to learn.lately my dvd player comes up as cd only when trying to play my vcds. is there any good way to look at your video both before its run through tmpg and after to see just what youve got? later would be helpful to see if it will burn correctly. thanx

You should allways look at your mpeg after encodeing to make sure that the encodeing has worked,I use "power dvd" to view my mpeg"s and if it looks good on your computer it will probably work on your tv......

Seems im missing the m2v.dll file, can any1 help me out plz ?

OK, basically i have a DVDrip svcd film. But it has a very narrow screen(widescreen). Is there any software that will let me re-encode it so i can make the screen size slightly bigger.Ive tryed tmpgenc-plus to split the mpg file, i got a mp2 and a m2v files, but tmpgenc does not support m2v files when i try to load them back in. what program should i use to merge the 2 files and allow me to alter the screen size? or is there another program to do this?

TIA

You can load your m2v and mp2 files in "tmpgenc" but you probabbly need the "mpeg2" plugin,I"ll send it to you in your email.I don"t think you will be able to make the frame size bigger but you can stretch the frame out so it looks bigger and you can cut the black borders off the top and bottom,but it you are turning a "svcd/mpeg2 to a "vcd/mpeg1" the frame should fill your screen..