I have a question on the resulting file sizes when converting to NTSC VCD from AVI

Some of the AVI's I encode end up being huge files, too big to burn on a 750MB cd as a vcd.

What affects the size of the encoded files ?
Below are two examples of files I have converted:
Audio source for both is the MPEG layer 1 audio from the AVI.

Example 1
Original AVI: 717MB, 640x272 with a 448 bit rate.
Resulting MPEG: 628MB

Example 2:
Original AVI: 713MB, 576x320, bit rate 137
Resulting MPEG: 2.5G

Why is the resulting MPEG in example 2 so large ?

This file is too large to burn as a VCD with a 750MB cd. Is there something I can do to reduce the size ??

What determines the size of encoded files ?

Please help.

Thank you !!

What determines the Size of the Mpeg files is the Length of the Source Files and the Bitrate used to encode them to Mpeg, generally for VCD it is 10mb per minute of AVI..Most movies Have to be Put on 2 or more CD-R"s....

On my old pc i was able to convert wmv and asf files with tmpgenc about 80% of the time with no problem. I was always able to open them in tmpgenc.

On my new pc, i can watch wmv and asf files in windows media player, but i get the "unsupported" error when trying to open any and all of these types of files in tmpgenc. Changing the extension of a wmv file to asf does not help. I already have the DirectShow Multimedia File Reader set to the top of the priority list.

All I can think of is do you have the Latest Windows Media Codecs installed?? and if all else Fails you can allways convert the Files to AVI then encode them to Mpeg....

I try to open a .d2v file for my video and it says "file test.d2v can not open , or unsupported.

can anyone help to enable me to open this file for conversion

thanks in advance

Do you Have the "DVD2AVI.vfp" Plugin showing up in the "Vfapi Plugins"?? If not then Take the "DVD2AVI.vfp" file from the DVD2AVI folder and Put it into the Tmpgenc folder, then check to see that it is showing up in the Vfapi Plugins..You also can not Move rename or delete any of the Source Vob file or Mpeg files that you are Frameserveing to Tmpgenc untill after the encodeing is Done, and If all else Fails Just make another D2V file with DVD2AVI, this Usually works....

Hello all!!!
I'm having problems encoding my .avi's to .mpegs.
The mpegs are very blocky !!!
I've tried everything, but nothing seems to get rid of the blockiness !
I want to transfer vhs tapes onto VCD but on the TV it's BLOCKY!!!

HELP !!!

If you are Captureing VHS tapes then Encodeing them To Mpeg1 for VCD is NOT the Format that you want to use cuz No matter what you do the Quality will Be bad and Very "Blocky"..The Bitrate and Resolution used For VCD is Far to Low to Produce any sort of Acceptable Quality, Even DVD"s Ripped to VCD can be Blocky and Sub standard so from VHS it is Definately not going to be Very Good Quality..At the Very least you should be Makeing SVCD"s and if not SVCD"s then DVD"s..The Way you capture your VHS Tapes will Have a Big affect on the Quality, What works Best for me is to Capture at Full Resolution 720+480/576, useing a Low Compression Codec like HuffyUv or even Uncompressed AVI if you have the Drive space and Drive Speed, then Use some Filters to Clean up the Image, I use AVISynth"s Temporal Smoother and Frame serve the File to the Encoder and you can use the Noise Filter in Tmpgenc also, then encode at the Highest Bitrate and Resolution You Can, I use a VBR Method at between 1750-3000KBS at SVCD Resolution(480+480), The Filters Really slow down the encodeing But the Quality in the End is Worth it..If you do not have the Disk space to capture with HuffyUv or Uncompressed then You can get Pretty Good Results Captureing to Mpeg2 at 720+480 and at 15,000Kbs useing something like "InterVideo WinDVR 2" then re-encodeing the File to SVCD useing some noise Filters, but there isn"t any way you will Be able to Capture VHS and Make Standard VCD"s out of the Files and Have it look as good as you like.There is a Lot of trial and error involved, I have been trying to Do this One VHS Movie for allmost a Month now and still I haven"t gotten the Quality I want But they Do look Good to Most poeple But I"m a Bit of a Quality freak so I don"t think I"ll ever be happy....Anyways Good Luck...

Does anyone have a list of AVI audio types that are supported in TMPGENC? I am using the latest ver of TMPGEnc and some of the AVI's I convert have no audio.

Please correct me if I am wrong because I am a new user, but believe if I have a list of supported audio types I can use GSPOT to identify the codecs in the AVIs I am trying to convert to VCD Mpegs. If the audio types of the AVIs are not supported I can then use Virtual Dub to "rip" the audio from the AVI's to wavs and convert them in TMPGEnc... Is that correct ?

Is Virtual Dub sufficient or is there something better I can be using ???

Is there a users manual or help file available for TMPGEnc as there are many options in the software that I do not know how to use ?

Thanks so much for all your help !

This software is great !!!

Tmpgenc Has the Most Problems with AC3 and VBR Mp3 audio, but it can also have Problems with WMA,OGG and some others...I generally Allways Use Wav audio when encodeing, so as a Good Rule you should allmost allways Extract the audio to Wav Just to be safe..Virtual dub is Pretty Good at extracting audio But you will Probably get Better results from useing "Virtual Dub_Mpeg2/AC3", I actually usually use "Sound Forge 6" or "Vegas Video 4" cuz it can extract the audio To Pretty much Any Format Like AC3 for DVD authoring and "Mpeg audio" which is used in your VCD/SVCD & DVD"s so you don"t need to encode any audio in Tmpgenc you just Mux the audio with the Mpeg video after encodeing ,and they never cause any sync Problems which can happen with other Programs, These Programs are Pretty Expensive But very Good Programs...good Luck...

Recently my tmpeg has been really messed up, i had searched for this error on this forum and everybody says not to upgrade to windows media player 9 which i did not do. i have windows media player 7 and this is giving me problems. right before it starts to encode the movie it starts to say "error in mp43dmod.dll". i have run out of ideas and this is really starting to bother me...oh and sometimes when i am about to encode something it says "couldn't find p3package.dll"...thanks ahead for your help!

The "P3P Package error" is From not haveing all of the Tmpgenc files in the Same Folder, and the other error is With the Mpeg4 codec you are useing, Try installing the "FFDShow Filter" this Might fix the error....

I have downloded and paid for TMPGEnc Plus. How do I delete the free version of TMPGEnc from my hard drive?

Well You Just delete it...There is Nothing special you have to do you Just delete the Folder were all of the Tmpgenc files are.....

I was just wondering if there is a codec pack that ftmpgenc offers becasue I have files that I thought were corrupt or I hadnt found the codec for but when I try to encode them and I set a source range they are perfectly clear. So obviously TMPGEnc has something that my media player does not Im just assuming that it is a codec. I would really apreciate the help in finding out whats going on so any response would be great. Thanks in advance.

>I was just wondering if there is a codec pack that ftmpgenc offers
Er..no
TMPG does not have it's own codecs for decoding input sources except for Open DML and still images. It uses the same codecs that Mediaplayer uses.
It seems like you don't have the correct codec installed or there is a problem with your Mediaplayer. Which version do you have?

What sort of file are you trying to play?

Every time a create an MPG file converting from my uncompressed avi file the picture is great but the audio just comes out sounding really flat and canny for some reason no matter how much I increase the audio bitrate or quality. HELP ME PLEASE :)

MATT

This is Probably from Crappy sample Rate conversions, set the Sample Rate converter to "High Quality" OR you can just use a Totally seperate Program to encode the Audio to Mpeg audio, This is What I do with allmost all the Audio I encode Cuz Most encoders don"t have Very good audio encoders and Sample rate converters....

i have this weird problem. im trying to open the vid i converted and cut it with mpeg tools. when i opened the edit windows a message popped up saying "Could not open this file with DirectShow". (0x80040111) and underneath that it says Detail: and a bunch of weird symbols. Any idea wats wrong here?

Is it a Mpeg2 file??? If it is then you Probably need to Install the Correct Mpeg2 decoders for Tmpgenc to decode the File ,you need either the "Ligos Mpeg2 decoder" or the "Cyberlink Mpeg2 decoder" installed, if you install "Power DVD" then it will install a Mpeg2 decoder...

ya its mpeg2 and i already have powerdvd. i'll try somthing with the nimo codec.

Well you Just might need to raise the Priority of your "Cyberlink Mpeg2 decoder" in the Vfapi Plugins...But Tmpgenc"s Editor isn"t the Most reliable editor and if you used VBR or even if you didn"t there is a Good Chance that the second Part of the Mpeg2 file you edit will end up out of sync, that is why it is good to have a Good Mpeg editor like "Womble Mpeg2VCR" I have never had a Single sync Problem with it and it can fix Sync Problems....

Just started using TMPGEnc. First five or so avi files converted perfectly. Now I get an error message saying can't open or not supported. The only thing different is the first ones were downloaded to my hard drive and then converted the rest I copied from my pc to a cd and then later copied back to pc. Never changed format files are still avi. They will play fine in media player and nero will convert them. Any ideas??

Go To "Options" to "Enviromental settings" to "Vfapi Plugins" and Raise the "Direct Show" to "2"...

When I do this i get this message (TMPGEnc.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.) Then it shuts down. Any more suggestions????

I just tried other avi's. With default settings it will open some and not others. I'm stumped..

Well there Could be something wrong with the Files, If they are Downloaded off of the net then that could very well be the case as Downloaded files can get Corrupted through downloading...and sometimes Installing the "FFDShow Decoder" will help with these Problems especially if the Files are DivX/XviD/Mpeg-4 Files, give it a Shot!! and you can allways try frameserveing the File to Tmpgenc this sometimes helps also...

What is FFDShow Decoder and where do I get it? Is it part of TMPGEnc or is it a seperate program?

Frank have you sorted out this problem because I`m having exactly the same problem, only I can`t change the priority setting in environmental fields, how do you do that..

thanks in advance

No I have not figured it out. To changed the settings If you highlight the item and right click on it you can raise or lower the priority.

FFDShow is a seperate Codec/Filter, Just go to Google and Type in "FFDShow" and download it...

Downloaded and installed FFDShow. What do I do with it now? Do I need to link it with TMPGEnc somehow or what? If it works on its own , how do I use it?

After installing FDDShow and setting Direst Show Multimedia file reader to 2 it seems to work. Now I have another problem.... Media Player has no video for any file avi,mpg, or any. What do I need to do to get the video back???

Maybe try opening the FFDshow Configuration dialog and Maybe try disableing the Format that you want to play in Media Player, and when you need to encode that format then enable that format...I don"t know if it will work but it is worth a Try, But for Mpeg files Media Player isn"t the best, you should use dvd playing software like "Power DVD"..And whatever you do DONT install "Media Player 9" cuz this can cause Big problems in Tmpgenc and many other Codec dependant Programs....

If I disable all codecs in FFDShow Media Player works fine. Thanks for the warning about Media Player 9 ...but too late I installed it several weeks ago and it did something to my restore program and I can't get rid of it. However everything seems to work now. I haven't tried to do a Xvid yet in TMPGEnc but hopefully it will work too. One last question - Can I split Xvids and if so how?

Thanks for all of your help.
Couldn't have done it without you.

I know there are hundreds discussions already about this problem but I still have few questions on the issue.

Here is the process:
1. The DV file is captured using the Scenalizer tool
2. I edit the AVI file using the Ulead Media Studio Pro (6.0 or 7.0)
3. Once completed I create the new AVI file (in standard NTSC format)
4. I'll take the AVI file and process it through the TMPGEnc configured to produce the HQ DVD file. I use ES (video+audio) option of the encoder to produce separate m2v and mp2 file. My Audio Engine is set to use Toolame.exe program and the Sampling Frequency Convertor is pointing the SSRC. The Audio settings are set to 48000 (sampling frequency) and 224 (bitrate). Now during the first phase of the TMPGEnc run it extracts the audio data from the AVI file. Since I'm using the Toolame.exe the first produced is the .WAV file which is then converted into the MP2 file. The WAV file is created in the Temporary folder and I copy it for future use (this way at the end I have MP2 file as well as the WAV file stored).
5. I'll take the WAV file (or MP2) and run it through the BeeSweet to create the AC3 audio file.
6. Finally I use the Ulead Movie Factory authoring software to combine all this together. And here is the problem the VIDEO is OUT OF SYNC with AUDIO. Audio is too fast by a second or so.

I looked at the video and audio file length and they differ by 5ms. So it would suggest that I should be able to delay the Audio (in BeeSweet) by 5ms and everything should be great. Well this is not the case. I need to set the delay to about 2500ms in order to get the picture and sound in sync. Any idea why?
I'm looking for some more settle solution then just try and error Eit took me few hours to find out correct delay time. Also since the reported length of the files seems to vary depending on the software I use it is quite difficult to nail it down.

Can anyone suggest anything to solve the problem or make it easier?

You need to isolate where the mismatch is being introduced. Mux the m2v/mp2 and check if it is out of sync in a software player.

Extract a WAV from the original AVI and compare its length and waveform offset to the toolame intermediate file. (Use the audio editor that comes with Media Studio Pro.)

Unless the audio is some kind of ultra high fidelity acoustic instrumental or you have overrun a file size limit, stick with the mp2 audio if that works.

I have had Many Instances of Encodeing to AC3 and had the audio go out of sync and decodeing from AC3 to Wav has caused the same Sync Problem, so Now I use a Different AC3 audio encoder which seems to have solved the Problem, I use Vegas Video 4/DVD Architect to encode the audio to AC3, or Soft encode but Vegas seems to be faster, it is also a Beter Video editor and has a Good Mpeg Encoder...There is also a Plugin that will let you encode From the Timeline in "Media Studio 6/7" directly into Tmpgenc or another encoder like CCE, From what I hear the Ulead Video server Plugin is Fairly fast and works Pretty Good and it will save Time and Quality cuz you won"t have to make an intermediate AVI file to load into Tmpgenc....

>5. I'll take the WAV file (or MP2) and run it through the BeeSweet to create the AC3 audio file.

What is the point in creating an Mp2 audio file if you are going to encode it to AC3 anyway?

>I'm looking for some more settle solution then just try and error Eit took me few hours to find out correct delay time

There is a simple way which I use all the time and is very accurate.
Simply download VirtualDub-MPEG2-AC3

Either load the muxed M2V and MP2 or load your M2V and then load your Wav audio. Choose Interleaving from the audio menu and change the delay settings.

Once you are happy with the value you have set then simply save the Wav or use the same value in Besweet.

Thank you for all suggestions but the problem still exists.

While using the VirtualDub-MPEG2-AC3 the sound is perfectly in sync.

Then I tried something different. I opend Ulead Media Studio Pro and loaded the m2v file created by TMPGEnc. Then I added the AC3 file created by BeeSweet and play the video. Everything is in sync. Then I replaced the AC3 file with a WAV file created by Toolame and all is in sync as well. I'm CONFUSED...

Next I tried to author the project I did the last night and IT IS OUT OF SYNC again (even though I'm using the AC3 file that is already delayed and it used to work).

At this point I start blaming the Ulead DVD Movie Factory. Possible?

As a test, Mux the M2V and the AC3 together with TMPG then play it to see if it's in sync.

If it's ok then download IFOEDIT (which is free) and use it to author the VOBs from the M2V and the AC3.
Select, DVD Author>Author New DVD from the menu.

Use Nero to burn the VOBs to disk.