I have encoded with TMPGEnc and CCE and noticed that CQ bitrate type is more
reliable than any other setting. While using CCE, there is CBR and nPass VBR
I used both of them and I tried upto 9 pass VBR. But the final result is not
so smooth, I found the movie is jerking. (While using CQ movie is not jerking)

My source DV clip has got an average 3430 Kbps (received through Premiere).
But the encoded MPEG2 has got an average of 750 Kbps. Still the quality is not
enough. Through which method I can produce quality MPEG2. I don't mind the
space.

Your response will be highly appreciable.

With regards

Shaju

The quality is dependant primarily on the bitrate and the resolution. Naturally you must have a good quality source as well.

The choices we have to make generally center around the tradeoff between quality, filesize and compatibility.

You mention that you want to encode to MPEG2, so I assume we are talking about creating SVCD. First thing I would do is to go to www.vcdhelp.com and look in the players list, find your DVD player and look at the reports others have written. That will give you a guide of what bitrate limit the player has.

Once you know what the bitrate limit is you have the option of creating XSVCD (non standard SVCD). The standard bitrate of a SVCD is 2500 (or 2550 ...anyway its close enough). The standard resolution for SVCD is 480x480 (or 480x576 for PAL). If these settings produce an ouptut, which you are happy with just use the standard SVCD TMPGenc templates.

If however you want greater 'quality' you can raise the resolution (e.g to 704 x 480) and the bitrate - creating an XSVCD. To do this you need to load the 'unlock' template from the extra folder first.

As for encoding method, if you have a good quality source the CQ method is the way to go if you want the best quality - the majority of seasoned encoders use CQ as it produces output that is argually better than 2 pass in less time.

You can of course use CBR with a high bitrate setting to produce good quality output but you will end up with a large filesize as CBR will allocate the same bitrate regardless of whether the frame is high action or the end credits.

I hope this has helped

Olli

P.S Npass VBR is only supported by CCE as far as I know. TMPGenc has a 2pass VBR mode.

P.P.S If your player supports SVCD I would try standard SVCD settings first and then work up the bitrate and resolution to something you are happy with.

Hi Olli,

Thanks for your detailed explanation..............

Basically I am trying to create to create DVD not SVCD. While creating the
DVD I am using TMPGEnc and CCE through VFAPI. Utimatly the DVD(MPEG2) is
generated from the CCE.

I applied certain fileters in TMPGEnc and passed to CCE for the better results.
CCE Makes nice movies without any jerking by using CQ. But when I use CBR and
nPass VBR I found that the movie is jerking.

I think 9 pass VBR can produce high qiality movie, but resulting to
high quality still pictures same time actions movies has jerking.

How can I avoide the jerking in n Pass VBR. Is there any turning required
while setting the bitrate.

With regards

Shaju

I havent used CCE so I'm afraid I can't help.
Others who post on this board (like Minion) know CCE and frameserving so I'm sure you'll get an answer.

As to the bitrate problem :

- What make and model of DVD player do you have ?
- What are your current bitrate settings for CQ, CBR and npass VBR ?

not a coment but a ? why do i get a .mcf file when downloading my file with tempgenc

I use the same method of encodeing through Tmpgenc to CCE with Vfapi and get better results than either can produce by themselves..That jerking you are talking about does it happen only when there are poeple or Things moveing?? does it look like the movie is skipping frames or something?? If this is the problem you are getting then I used to have exactly the same problem and it seems to be a problem with CCE and the field order, I have solved this problem by useing the "De-Interlace Filter" set on "Even Field" in Tmpgenc, then the problem totally disapears. So try it I"m totally sure that this will fix your Problem....

Hi Minion,

Thanks for your comments.

Exactly I am facing the same problem.

I will try with Deinterlace (Even Field)

Can you clarify the following terms, usage and which place I have to use.

Adobe Upper Field Lower Filed
TMPGEnc Even Filed Odd Filed
CCE Top Filed ?????????(May be Bottom Filed)

I am not sure Upper Filed = Even Filed or Odd Filed

While using Adobe, TMPGEnc, CCE in which place I have to apply the filed order
and Deinterlacing ? Really confusing me.........................

Needs Your Help

With regards

Shaju

Apply the "De-interlace" filter in Tmpgenc...are you just makeing your avi files with Adobe Premier then rendering them as avi then loading them into Tmpgenc to Vfapi to CCE???

Hi Minion,

Yesterday I applied De-Interlace function in TMPGEnc and found the quality is
less than what I used to get before.

The process steps are same as what you told. Only in the beinging I am using
Dazzle Card and by using Fast Forward creating DIF files, which can directly
open in the Adobe Premiere. There is another option of creating AVI files
which is supported in ULead Video Studio But editing is very poor. Is there
any quality difference in DIF and AVI files ?


After De-Interlace, Whats about the field order ?

With regrds

Shaju

I used to be able to open a SVCD file and then using a VCD template convert it down to that format. Now recently I can no longer open SVCD files - I get an error saying file ""xxxxx.mpg" can not open, or unsupported". I bought TMPGenc Plus - so I have no limitations - I used to be able to do this now I cant - anyone know why? Direct show filter has a 2 priority - so I dont know what else to do?

If you are using 2.57, you need read "Revision History" carefully.
Make sure the file can be played with Windows media player.

With the 2.57 version you don"t raise the direct show for mpeg files you need to raise one of the Mpeg filters.and you need to have a mpeg codec on your system like the one in "Power DVD"..

I have WinDVD 4 installed - so i presume it should use this codec to do the work! Which mpeg filter do u reccomend to raise?

I'm encoding 1080i files for conversion to transport streams then transfer to D-VHS tape. BBMPEG works fine. TMPGenc has failed with every file. I've tried all combinations of settings. The elementary streams are fine. The best I can get with TMPGenc - after muxing to a transport stream - is AC3 audio and a black screen.

Any ideas why TMPGenc is creating video files differently than BBMPEG even though the settings are similar?

Thanks,
Joe

hi all,
a friend told me the following:
play a vob file with flask and if all is alright (no blocks etc...) the dvd is progressive, if you see blocks, the dvd is interlaced...(he said, 95% of all dvds are progressive)

and so you have to set the settings in tmpgenc...

i never changed these settings before and i had no problems and the svcds are pretty good...
have i made all my svcds wrong the whole time?

and when:
have i set (under settings - encode mode it also to "non-interlace" and under advanced to "progressive) ???
i'm a litte bit confused...

(sorry for my bad english, hope you understand what i mean...)

It is easy to figure out if your file is "ntsc interlaced" or "pal progressive"
just look at the frame rate, 25fps is Progressive and 29.9fps is Interlaced...as for 95% of all DVD"s being progressive that is total crap, It depends on were you live, if you live in Germany you would use Progressive and if you live in North America it is interlaced.......

hm,
made a test with a small vobfile...
can't see any difference if i set all to standard settings (interlaced)
or set both settings to non-interlaced

btw: i'm from germany...

DID You Read The Post??? Your answer is There!!!! you will not notice any differance on your monitor but you WILL notice it if you burn it to disk.Those settings are not for YOU to adjust, the encoder puts those settings to the right ones when you load the file...."PAL=25FPS=Progressive/Non-Interlace" and "NTSC=29.9FPS=Interlace"

i read it...
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Those settings are not for YOU to adjust, the encoder puts those settings to the right ones when you load the file
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i use dvd2avi to make a project...i don't load vobfiles...
so if i load a project in tmpgenc (from a PAL DVD) there are all settings "interlaced"...

the first answer of you i understood as: i have to change the settings to "non-interlaced (progressive)"

now i understand the second answer as: leave all settings "interlaced", because tmpgenc does it for you...

maybe my english is too bad or you don't understand what i mean...sorry

You said in your first post that the "encode mode" is set to "non-interlace" and under the "Advanced" set to "progressive"?? That should be correct for a pal file.

Recent problems:

I get a message now that says AVI file cannot open or is unsupported.

I am sure this is common. How do I fix this. I think it has to do with compressed AVI files.

You are right this is the Most common question asked on the forum and has been asked and answered thousands of times...You need to raise the priority of the "direct show file reader", you do this by going to "Options" to "Enviromental Settings" to "Vfapi Plugins" and raise the "Direct Show" To "2".....

When i encode as DVD PAL the average and min bitrate cannot be set to less than 2000. Is there a way to make this possible. I use latest version of the program. I dont want to encode as Super VCD since here the max bitrate is limmited.
jvm

To change the bitrate settings you need to load the "Unlock.mcf" Template from the "Extra" folder........

Works fine
Thanks a lot.
Does nay one know if file splitting by size is a planed feature or will we have the time based one as is.

I have a 880 MB avi file that I want to cut down to fit on a writeable CD. What I'd like to do is cut out frames within the file. Not just frames at the beginning or end. How can I do this and it be a smooth avi file? What I'd love is for there to be simply a "delete" button that you can click and elminate frames as you go through them. This way I could simply delete out frames I don't want. If this isn't possible, can I simply tell it which section of frames to edit out by picking a start frame and an end frame and then the program edits that part out and connects the remaining together. Could someone tell me how to do one of these ... or a better way? Thanks!

So what is the Purpose of Writeing the AVI to a CD-R???and what does this have to do with Mpeg encodeing??And Tmpgenc isn"t really an AVI editor, and if you were to re-encode it to avi but say changeing the frame rate to a lower frame rate to make a smaller file, who is to say that the file won"t be bigger than the original,..You should post Why you want to put the AVI on a cd-r instead of makeing a vcd or svcd so you can view the file on TV and why you are useing Tmpgenc to work with Avi file instead of Mpeg files..

The file is a avi. TMPG says it can edit avi files. The file I want to edit was one I downloaded from WinMX and is a comedian's stage act. It is too large right now for a CD so I'd like to cut out a few of the lame jokes so I can make the good ones fit on a CD. I plan to make a few copies and give it to friends. Unfortunately, the lame jokes are sprinkled throughout the act.

I believe Avisynth has commands that would let you drop every nth frame, but that would be a real pain. And the audio might be difficult to sync back up.

Virtualdub good for simple AVI editing. Set IN and OUT points and hit delete. Save with direct stream copy to avoid recompression.

Or, recompress to a format with a lower bitrate. This would mean encoding to MPEG or "save as AVI" choosing a different codec, like DIVX.

You do not mention the length or current codec of the clip so it is hard to make a call. Cutting out frames and then saving with the wrong codec could blow the file way UP in size.

You Right ...If you want to edit AVI files Tmpgenc is not the best one for the job, because with Tmpgenc you have to re-encode the file to AVI to edit it, you should download "Virtual Dub" it is a proper AVI editor, and it will allow you to do a "Direct stream copy" of the file instead of Re-encodeing it so you don"t loose Quality...

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check out Virtual Dub.

Help new user

I ve converted some holiday avi files created on a fuiji finepix camara
I download them to my pc and then converted them ready to burn as dvd so
that we could watch them on our TV.

I used DVD PAL . I had no trouble in converting them but silly me i deleted
the avi versions both on the PC and the smartcard. When i play them it
tells me they are not supportted and onmedia player it goes looking for a
codec which it fails to find.

it also will not burn the dvd.

Is there some way i can convert them back i've tried video-cd and
super video cd but to no success both tell me cannot open or unsupported

So you are saying that you encoded your avi"s to mpeg then deleted the avi"s but then realized that the mpeg files don"t play in your media players and you wan"t to get your avi files back or get the mpeg to play??? Well if you are useing "Windows Media Player" then it might not play it because Media player needs a special mpeg2 codec to play mpeg2 files, so you need to play the mpeg file with a software DVD player like "Power DVD" ..If there is no image in your mpeg file then there is no way to extract an image..You can"t extract what isn"t there..but if you CAN get it to play with Power DVD but for some reason can"t burn it to DVD-R, you can re-encode the file by de-multiplexing the file and re-encode the video to mpeg...

Thanks but how do i re-encode the file using what software

>So you are saying that you encoded your avi"s to mpeg then deleted the avi"s but then realized that the mpeg files don"t play in your media players and you wan"t to get your avi files back or get the mpeg to play??? Well if you are useing "Windows Media Player" then it might not play it because Media player needs a special mpeg2 codec to play mpeg2 files, so you need to play the mpeg file with a software DVD player like "Power DVD" ..If there is no image in your mpeg file then there is no way to extract an image..You can"t extract what isn"t there..but if you CAN get it to play with Power DVD but for some reason can"t burn it to DVD-R, you can re-encode the file by de-multiplexing the file and re-encode the video to mpeg...

How do i do this using what software? and where do i get power dvd

If there is a Picture in the file then you can encode it with Tmpgenc but if there isn"t then you are out of luck........

During encoding a AVI file to an MPEG2 file, i get the next error :

-272762914 859034592

After the error the ecoding stops.

What is this error, and what can I do about it ?

Stef

my avi files will not open it says can not open or is unsupported

I get a simular message after i've converted some video from my fuiji
finepix camara.
I converted it to mpeg2 on pal and now it wont read or be burnt for a dvd
video

Any ideas

hello,
i have been using this program from sometime now,i have converted about 60 movies and have had no problem with the sound.now for no reason there is no sound when i convert.i even tried to convert a movie that i did once before that had sound .now it does not have sound...please help...i have never converted to wav before.it always worked before.

Well if you never had to extract the audio to wav then you have been lucky ,Untill now, I know the earlier versions seemed to be compatible with more audio formats, but It is the only solution that there is for audio that doesn"t encode......

go to your sound properties and make sure the correct recording input is selected. on windows, open up the play control dialog (usually the speaker icon in your system tray), go to options -> properties, click the recording radio button, then ok. the play control dialog changes to the record dialog. from here make sure you have the right input selected (usually line-in if you have a capture card like i do), hope that helps...

Hi,

I tried to encode an AVI file but it's taking way too long. For just 5 mins of it (only 11%), 11 hours have elapsed and the indicator shows that 83 more hours are required to complete the encoding!

I have encoded other AVIs with no problems - this is the only one giving me problems. Most likely it's because of the source file. Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong/different with this particular AVI?

Thanks and regards,
GeeK

There are few things I can think of.

1. The AVI is corrupted.
2. The AVI is divx or something but you have not installed proper codec.
3. Both 1 and 2.

If you got the file from somewhere and do not know the file format in detail
it is hard to solve the problem.